Posts by Heatmiser

I left in 92 and at that time we where getting a new book every year like clock work. They where still hard cover. I had many bound volums going back to the 50's and many books going back to the early 40's. As my exodus from the bOrg coincided with my marriage breakup I let the EX have all the JW crap. In hindsite I guess I should have kept it all........lol

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Is life any better now?

by onacruse in

recent conversations and threads prompt me to ask these questions:.

have humans evolved/developed/learned beyond what we were several thousand years ago?.

do you think life, in general, is better now?.

Heatmiser

There was no media cramming ideas into our heads and coercing us to amass material posessions. We toiled directly for the benefit of those we loved, not for some corporate machine that dispenses paychecks on Friday.

99% of people didn't amass material possesions not by choice. They toiled for the benifit of the King/Queen/govt/church they lived under. The rich got richer and the poor got poorer. Unless you where of the select small percentage of the population, you toiled endlessly to meek out a living to stay alive and live to a ripe old age of 40. Of course there where a few societies that broke these generalizations, but they collapsed (Roman empire, Greek empire ect. ect.)

Yeah you didn't have media drumming into your head to gain material possesions, you had the church torturing you to death and taking all of your meager possesions. If you think everybody was a bunch of tree huggers sitting around enjoying nature, you need to study history more. Man, woman and child toiled from sunup to sundown 365 days a year to survive.

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Is life any better now?

by onacruse in

recent conversations and threads prompt me to ask these questions:.

have humans evolved/developed/learned beyond what we were several thousand years ago?.

do you think life, in general, is better now?.

Heatmiser

Have humans evolved/developed/learned beyond what we were several thousand years ago?
Do you think life, in general, is better now?

Humans on average are taller now than they where in the past. Humans have learned alot in the last thousand years.

Yes life is better now. We live to be 70, 80, 90 years old and even higher. In the past, 40 years old was OLD. That is if you where lucky enough to survive child hood. You ever go to an old cemetary? Look at all the childrens graves. That is one of the reasons families where HUGE back in the day. They didn't expect alot of the children to survive.

Comparing our lives today and the lives of people thousands of years ago is comparing apples and oranges.

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just introducing myself

by adri2 in

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i never did become a jw but i did associate with them for a few years by attending meetings, going house to house, and all that fun stuff.

anyway, i have so much in my mind that i cannot possibly say in one post.

basically i saw/heard many things during my association with jw that i just didn't agree with or just made me wonder if they were truly teaching the "truth", which i have recently come to the conclusion that there is no truth.

Heatmiser

Welcome

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What obligation do you feel towards your family who are still in?

by czarofmischief in

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everybody's situation is different, of course, and everybody has their own choices to make.. but do you recall that when we were dubs, we were constantly urged to go out in service, because people needed to hear what we thought was the truth?

they would use that scripture by paul, "i consider myself a debtor to all men" etc.

to enforce the moral compulsion to go door to door.. now that we know the truth about the truth; how obliged are we to tell our family?

Heatmiser

My experience is that one can point out all the idiocies, contradictions, and false-prophecies all you like and it still never gets through. I think most JWs have turned off the logic part of their brain like most conspiracy theorists.

I couldn't have said it any better.

If I say ANYTHING about WTBS it is "APOSTATE" and they shut down. My contact with them is once every few years. So as long as they don't bring up JW vomit, I don't say anything.

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Book study books

by Heatmiser in

when i was "in" the books where hard back.

now with them being paperback i would imagine them being very flimsy.

i was visiting my grandparents a few months ago and my jw parents also happened to be visiting at the same time.

Heatmiser

When I was "in" the books where hard back. Now with them being paperback I would imagine them being very flimsy. I was visiting my Grandparents a few months ago and my JW parents also happened to be visiting at the same time. I noticed that the study book they where using bound with a plastic spiral. I asked them "Is this how they print the books now?". They told me that the books fall apart easier so they take the study books to kinko's and have them bound that way so they will last through the book study.

Is this a common thing with other JW's? I know my parents are a little off of their rocker, just wondering if they are extra nutty on this one.

I have paperback books that I read and have reread over and over, abused, bent and mangled and they have stayed together relativly well considering the abuse. Are WTBS books so cheaply made that they fall apart that easily?

Heatmiser

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UN Scandal - does anyone know the reason they joined to start with?

by AK - Jeff in

like most on this board, i know the story, have seen the un press release, ect.

but can someone comment on two questions for me?.

who caught them with their hands in the cookie jar?

Heatmiser

If they wanted access to "good" libraries, it wouldn't be a problem being in NYC. They have an AWSOME public library that has been around for a very long time and well funded. Probably one of the better libraries in the USA other than the library of congress. Then there are University libraries close by that are VERY comprehensive libraries. And I am pretty sure that anything that the UN puts in its own library can be obtained through one of a myriad of govt. agencies for little or no cost.

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Helpppppppppppppp

by vitty in

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weve been fading now for 9 months.. can anybody tell me what book jws are studing 1 and 2nd week of march????.

this is going to take some monovering but, weve got visitors and they want to go to a meeting mid week.

sso we are going to take them to a cong outside our territory, and we need to visit it for a couple of weeks so they think its ours.

Heatmiser

Find something else to do that night as a group. Like a play or sporting event. Something that needs tickets "that you could only get for that night".

If they start talking to people in the hall you take them to, it will start to unravel pretty quick.

Just my .02

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