i've been as honest as i can on this forum throughout my time bouncing in and out..and been jumped on for saying anything positive about the "truth" or my experiences at the hall, but it's been a few years now since i have been attending meetings.
i go to the memorial for family reasons and went to the assembly today for the same reason...but one observation i have to make is most of us have all dealt with years of hearing how gawd awful "the world" is and how the only happiness is going to meetings and out in service.
now that is total bs.
Liked your comments Integ, thought you gave a balanced view on everything.
I also ended up at an assembly recently, and also found it somewhat nostalgic.
One brother likened this "old world" to .......gasp! - "a sinking ship"! He even mentioned this illustration had been used before, but now we can readily see the "atmosphere is different, can't you just feel the closeness of the end".
It was hard not to laugh, and at least wasn't totally bored.
so here's a link to the latest jw podcast.
in it they talk about how the organization is structuring things in australia to get out of paying money to victims of abuse.
the short version, as i remember it, is that they are making each congregation its own individual charity.
Wow........I guess we shouldn't be surprised, but it still seems to go to a whole new level of greed.
Thanks for posting this.
recently went to a witness wedding, and after the vows the bride and groom were introduced as "brother and sister".....(then last name).....(then the big kiss).
this is likely not unusual (i've heard it before), but with lots of "worldly" people in attendance it seems out of place to me.. i was just wondering if that's the way it is most places?.
Recently went to a witness wedding, and after the vows the bride and groom were introduced as "brother and sister".....(then last name).....(then the big kiss)
This is likely not unusual (I've heard it before), but with lots of "worldly" people in attendance it seems out of place to me.
I was just wondering if that's the way it is most places?
anybody have any ideas where they are going with the "new light" they have been pushing last week and this week?
for instance in this weeks study article one section reads:.
in years gone by, we believed that jehovah became displeased with his people because they did not have a zealous share in the preaching work during world war i. we concluded that for this reason, jehovah allowed babylon the great to take them captive for a short time.
They might have to make additional changes to the revelation book after this. As I recall, some of the prophecies from there tied into 1918, etc.
I think the scripture mentioning "the two witnesses, who were killed, and then miraculously come back to life" (not an exact quote) was supposed to have fit into 1914-1919.
a couple of examples of scriptures hardly ever quoted is 1 tim.
2:12- "i do not permit a woman to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence".
or verse 11- "let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness.".
Lev 19:27 ".....you must not destroy the extremity of your beard"
Maybe this could be quoted again sometime now?
a couple of examples of scriptures hardly ever quoted is 1 tim.
2:12- "i do not permit a woman to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence".
or verse 11- "let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness.".
A couple of examples of scriptures hardly ever quoted is 1 Tim. 2:12- "I do not permit a woman to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence"
or verse 11- "Let a woman learn in silence with full submissiveness."
Paul didn't know everything though, because he talked about the good news already being preached "in all creation that is under heaven". (Didn't know about North and South America, etc. I guess)- Colossians 1:23
Was wondering if any of you fine people had other examples to share?
hi acording to the 2016 year book the borg sent 6,000 people from bethels around the world "home" i think they might be struggling a bit lol .
I've heard it said by some how Bethel "was the best career you could have, nothing would compare to its retirement plan".
I'm sure it's been a rude awakening for many bethelites.
just writing down some notes to share with jws when i meet them.
here are a few of the problems of logic i see in their doctrines.
perhaps you can add to them.. systemic contradictions – jws boast about fighting for religious freedom – that is their freedom to share their differing views with people outside the organization - yet there is no freedom amongst members to disagree with any official teaching within the organization without the threat of losing friends and family.
The logic of so few Christians being of the anointed in the 1st century is ludicrous, and that's something I try to bring up occasionally in a tactful way.
I guess I would add the adhering to the Genesis account as a major flaw.
One more is that instead of reading scriptures objectively, they're now adjusting everything to fit pre-conceived notions, like over-lapping generations.
where is the garden of eden?.
i don't mean where in the world, i mean where in history.
adam and eve get booted out of this place.
There's lots of mythical elements to the Eden story. Would Adam have had a sword, or known what a sword was? How long would it take to name all the animals, especially ones found on other continents?
Virtually every JW book ever published contains the argument that "if only Adam and Eve had passed the test, we would all be perfect". Really? Do you think every single human from then on would be faithful forever? (Even angels didn't all remain on God's side)
Not to mention the timeline, 6000 years? There's so much evidence of humans predating that year by a huge margin.
The reasoning is that the Flood wiped out Eden, but I better not get started on that.
i bet most witnesses could not explain their blood policy, their understanding of the slave, and even simple biblical doctrines....they are an embarrassment to any old timer..
Witnesses used to think they knew everything about the Bible(I guess I did too). But I think they've become more humble now, or if they haven't they should be.
I recall going in service and often getting into long discussions with people, but that never happens today. Very few now could "prove" much from the bible.
To me the new format of meetings is totally dull, how hard is it to read part of a chapter of a book?
There's quite a few that don't even do any parts at all, and I'm glad to be one of them.
