Limbo I realize you're asking the men! But like the other ladies, I wanted to respond too. Lol! I never really noticed any of the sisters/wives being especially in subjection in the areas where I lived....
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Do you still Patronize Women?
by limbo ini was thinking today about how jehovah's witnesses are conditioned to view women.
i'm sure there have been many threads and discussions on this subject.
just curious how you view women now that you are no longer a jw?
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Vigil for my daughter, please.
by outnfree inas mentioned in my other thread, my daughter lena is having brainsurgery on monday, jan 24. the surgery will last 6-7 hours, so i'm hoping the board members will be willing to make a special effort tomorrow to send positive thoughts, healing energy, good wishes and prayers her way.
we are asking that the surgeon's hands be delicate and skillful and that lena does not bleed overmuch and that brain damage be minimal (if not non-existant).
surgery begins at 8 am eastern standard time (us), but we have to have her to the hospital by 6 am, so this is "good night!
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Of course Brenda! I'll be up long before her surgery and will think about her all day with positive thoughts.
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I FEEL GREAT !
by candidlynuts inas mentioned in almost atheist and freedom frogs thread about her judicial commitee.. jw's never say i feel great anymore...
what about us ex jw's?.
i feel great !
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Well say, Candidly, looks like me too! I've had a great couple of days in terms of news and friends and family; so I feel great too!
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When It Snows, It's an Avalanche!
by outnfree inas if i wasn't already completely stressed out about my daughter's upcoming brain surgery, not to mention being executrix of my mother's estate (and she left a lot of debt), i just learned the day before yesterday that my father-in-law has colon cancer, and now today.... today i learned that my 35 year old nephew, my deceased sister's only living son, is suffering from congestive heart failure.
the cardiologists have told him he only has 10% function left.
they cannot even perform a catheterization to see whether or where arteries are blocked or valves are diseased.
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(((((Brenda)))))
I'm so sorry for all your stress and heartache. If talking to someone would help at all, I've left my number.
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What was your turning point?
by jeanniebeanz inwhat was it that was the real eye opener for you?.
for me, it was after watching the video, "jehovah's witnesses; a non-prophet organization," and the point on how the org puts itself in a place between jesus and mankind.
a position which does not exist scripturally.
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Hi Sugarbritches -
Hi seeitallclearlynow--- and everyone. You said that the reinstatement is more painful that the disfellowshiping- how is that? I have a friend who is about to be reinstated and I'm just curious. Thanks- Sugarbritches
Well to me, when you're disfellowshipped, you're in a very different mindset generally than when you're seeking reinstatement. In my case, I was angry, fed up, wanted to be left alone, couldn't care much less about all of it, you know? The peace of not associating, not bothering with all the oh-so-important-issues and -activities was such a relief. But when you decide you want to come back, you're forced into very stressful and degrading "committee" meetings during which these men stare holes in you and decide your fate - will you be considered worthy of being in their wonderful company? Will you be deemed worthy of possibly not being destroyed for being so wicked and worthless? Then, you have to do the little "assignments" they give you to prove you're repentant - and of course, if you're not repentant, it's harder to swallow it and just act repentant and like you don't really still hate your ex-husband. Lol. You might have to write to any whom you've "done wrong", asking for their forgiveness. In my case, I wrote a letter that passed somehow, because I never apologized in it. That was cool. Then you have to attend all the meetings, sitting in the back like a pariah, keeping your head down as you enter and leave, speaking to no one. After several months of this inhumane treatment, it starts to really get to you and you may just cry through most meetings. That alone is humiliating. The more hard nosed elders will go out of their way to make a point of welcoming every single person attending the Book Study at the Kingdom Hall except you. That is so mean and infuriating. You will have to continue to prove yourself for months after your reinstatement in order to regain various little privileges. You're supposed to get them back one at a time basically, and you're supposed to be so humble and grateful. You're supposed to ask for these from time to time. But I never asked once. So suddenly I got them all back at once. Who cares. There will be a stigma attached to you for some time to come, and how bad it is will depend on how much you're liked to begin with. It might also be in your head, depending on your nature. For instance, in my son's case, he felt "dead" while disfellowshipped, and this made me so angry at them for making a child consider himself "dead." But once he was finally, finally, reinstated, he went about his business as it were, completely and utterly welcomed and loved by all. He's a very social person and very popular, so no stigma there. Thank goodness. Anyway, since you asked....
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Warm Shock On A Cold Day
by Sunspot infor those of you that know my background, you know that my only sibling, a sister (nonjw) disowned me back in the '70s along with my parents when i became a jw.
when i daed myself in '99, i wrote them and apologized for making a terrible mistake, etc and heard nothing.
i just got an email from my sister asking for my address because she wants to write to me, and she signed it "love, your little sis"..
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Annie, that's just great news! I'm so happy for you sweetie pie!! And I agree, no begging here either. Forget that!
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Lawyers Who Deal With Disfellowshipping
by dh inis there a directory of lawyers who have experience in helping jw's with judicial df'ing issues?
what i mean by helping, is a lawyer who knows the df procedure, and will inform the elders that he/she will be attending the judicial meeting with the person etc.
if the elders refuse point blank to allow it, then a lawyer who knows how to pressure them so that they cannot announce the disfellowshipping or ever speak about it, as it would be slander would be very useful.. i think that there should be (may already be) lawyers out there who up to speed on this, and if they aren't, they should be brought up to speed by us, the ex jw community on what to expect from judicial meetings, and on the whole jw procedure of disfellowshipping etc.
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One would think that a child who made the life-altering "decision" to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses and who answered the old baptism questions so many years ago, before the word "organization" was presumptuously written in to replace "in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit", would have some kind of legal grounds to prevent the rabid JW treatment of exiting or former members.
I was 16 and was supposedly baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, not the organization.
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What was your turning point?
by jeanniebeanz inwhat was it that was the real eye opener for you?.
for me, it was after watching the video, "jehovah's witnesses; a non-prophet organization," and the point on how the org puts itself in a place between jesus and mankind.
a position which does not exist scripturally.
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FlyingHighNow -
There's more, but I kind of figure no one will make it this far into my post.
I'm with TheEdge, Heather - your story is very interesting and readable. And you're a very expressive woman. I wouldn't halfway read your posts.
Because of all those Job like events we became irregular and we were dropped like hot potatoes. It was horrible. I kept observing that the elders and certain "strong ones" were just like the Pharisees. They were like the line in the Kingdom song: "Proud hearts that know no pity for the meek(or was it weak?)" We became as liabilities to them and so we were not worth their time or their compassion.
You really summed it up. Of course, I think there have always been certain people, people who have been through troubling times, who showed more compassion than this. But they were usually "kept in check" so as not to show too much love....(my experience lol)
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What was your turning point?
by jeanniebeanz inwhat was it that was the real eye opener for you?.
for me, it was after watching the video, "jehovah's witnesses; a non-prophet organization," and the point on how the org puts itself in a place between jesus and mankind.
a position which does not exist scripturally.
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I just read this person's account of what it was like growing up a JW child. Very telling and poignant, as have been many stories told here by others specifically and strictly raised as JWs. I feel for all of you.
http://www.premier1.net/~raines/hate.html Growing Up in a Religion of
Hate
Jerry Bergman, Ph.D.
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You can't play lotto, but you can accept a lottery ticket.
by JH in.
can someone explain to me why a witness can't go and buy a lottery ticket for himself, but can keep a ticket they find on the ground or keep a ticket they receive as a gift from a worldly person.. that's the explaination the witnesses gave me when i joined many years ago.. if it's a sin to play lotto, why can they accept a ticket as a gift or keep one they could find?.
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There are some really good points here on the subject of the Witness "stand" on gambling and greed! I could never quite grasp the whole concept. In fact apparently I went decades not realizing we were not allowed to even have an unpaid raffle ticket, like at a work function. The whole Witness argument is full of holes and inconsistent.
And Mary!
Apparently, there's nothing wrong with losing a hundred grand in the stock market, but if I go and spend $1.00 on a lottery ticket, then I'm a greedy materialistic bitch who's one short step away from worshipping Satan........or whoever the "God of Good Luck" is supposed to be.
Such a good point, and delivered in your usual hilarious manner!
