My wife saw them from upstairs looking for the ringbell (there is none). She opened the window and told them: "Knock and the door will be opened to you."
Hi, Nark! That's hilarious. I love your wife's sense of humor!
Marjorie
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Guess who called today?
by Narkissos ina nice jw couple.
elder and his wife in their 40s.. i was gone on errands to a nearby market.
my wife saw them from upstairs looking for the ringbell (there is none).
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My Scan Results
by Dansk inas many of you will know, yesterday i received my scan results from the haematologist.
when i entered his office he was beaming and so i thought the news would be good.
the chemotherapy has shrunk the cancerous lymph nodes in my stomach substantially!!
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Some further great news! My spleen and liver, which had grown extremely large and were causing me worry, have also shrunk! They are both virtually back to normal!! The disease I have is said to have no cure but medicine is improving all the time and the stem cell transplants have had some proven success. So, nearer the time, I’ll probably go for it!
Ian -- Thanks for the additional update! It's wonderful to hear that the chemo has had such good effect. Blessings,
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by Dansk inas many of you will know, yesterday i received my scan results from the haematologist.
when i entered his office he was beaming and so i thought the news would be good.
the chemotherapy has shrunk the cancerous lymph nodes in my stomach substantially!!
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My Scan Results
by Dansk inas many of you will know, yesterday i received my scan results from the haematologist.
when i entered his office he was beaming and so i thought the news would be good.
the chemotherapy has shrunk the cancerous lymph nodes in my stomach substantially!!
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Ian ---
Great news! I am so happy the report was good!
Love from both of us!!!!
Marjorie & Jim xo xo
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The 1914 Doctrine and The Threat of the Egibi Business Tablets
by VM44 incould the watchtower and the jehovah's witnesses survive the discarding of their 1914 doctrine?
the doctrine that in 1914 the end of the gentile times took place, jesus took up rule in heaven.
for some reason the jws think the outbreak of world war i in 1914 is proof their prophetic calculations were correct.
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Neil ---
The other reference you cited was the Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament, volume 8:
To further prove the matter, I draw your attention to a comment made by no less an illustrious authority that the TDOT, Volume 8, p.360 wherein it is observed that this "Aramaic term, with its more sharply accentuated character, was better suited as a designation for an institution that was largely dominated by foreign influence". Such a comment justifiably in my view, could refer to the institution of 'kingship' dominated by a foreign political power expressed as a vassalage. In view of these facts, biblical history and the writings of Josephus, it is no wonder that the NWT Committe saw fit to translate malkut as 'kingship' in Daniel 1:1; 2:1 etc.
Once again, I suggest that we look at the passage you cited in context.
The reference is TDOT, volume 8, pages 359-360, section 5, "Abstract Expressions" under the entry for melek, which starts on page 346.
Just as in the previously discussed passage from NIDOTTE, four words are being discussed:
5.a -- meluka
5.b -- mamlaka
5.c -- malkut
5.d. -- mamlakutIn NIDOTTE we saw that "the semantic aspects" of mamlaka and malkut "largely overlap." Here in TDOT we see the authors saying that the meaning of the later term malkut "is indistinguishable from that of mamlaka, 'kingdom' (as a comprehensive term)."
Here is a scan of page 359:
For a larger image, go to http://www.strike9.com/alleymom/TDOT%2c-page-359.jpg
And here is a scan of page 360:
http://www.strike9.com/alleymom/TDOT%2c-page-360.jpgNote that in section c, where the authors are discussing the word malkut, they give several Bible references.
Did you look those references up in the New World Translation, Neil?
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Rbi8 Ezra 4:5 ***5 and hiring counselors against them to frustrate their counsel all the days of Cyrus the king of Persia down till the reign [malkut] of Da·ri´us the king of Persia
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Rbi8 Ezra 4:24 ***24
It was then that the work on the house of God, which was in Jerusalem, stopped; and it continued stopped until the second year of the reign [malkut] of Da·ri´us the king of Persia.***
Rbi8 Ezra 6:15 ***15
And they completed this house by the third day of the lunar month A´dar, that is, in the sixth year of the reign [malkut] of Da·ri´us the king.Just to review:
The sentence underlined in yellow from the scan of page 360 says that "malkut" is indistinguishable in meaning from the earlier term "mamlaka," kingdom, as a comprehensive term.
But if you look at 5.b. on page 359, you will see that mamlaka "brings to expression the functional system 'kingship' in all these aspects: as dominion, residence and reign, power apparatus --- in a word, as an institution."
I will have to continue this later tonight or tomorrow, when I intend to give references to the academic material on vassalge which I posted two years ago.
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The 1914 Doctrine and The Threat of the Egibi Business Tablets
by VM44 incould the watchtower and the jehovah's witnesses survive the discarding of their 1914 doctrine?
the doctrine that in 1914 the end of the gentile times took place, jesus took up rule in heaven.
for some reason the jws think the outbreak of world war i in 1914 is proof their prophetic calculations were correct.
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Neil --
I think it would be worthwhile to take a closer look at the material you quoted from the New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology and Exegesis (hereafter abbreviated as NIDOTTE) and the Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament (TDOT).
With all due respect, I believe you're overlooking some of the points brought out in these articles.
Starting with NIDOTTE, here's what you posted:
However, the meaning of malkut takes on a much broader dimension when considered by theological dictionaries of the OT and for the benefit of people like Jeffro, such publications are not published by Jehovah's Winesses. The DOTTE under a discussion of the the root word melek, states that malkut denotes a stronger emphasis on the activity of ruling...refers to the right or office of ruling as king". Such an observation indicates that it is not the duration of regnal years typified by a 'reign' but the characteristic or nature of that reign is implied by this theologically nuanced word.
The phrase you quoted comes from section 1.(c) "The office of ruling" on pp. 957-958 of volume 2.
In this section, the authors discuss four Hebrew words derived from the root m-l-k: mamlaka, meluka, malkut, and mamlakut.
Here is a scan of the relevant passage from page 957:
Here is what you quoted:
The DOTTE under a discussion of the the root word melek, states that malkut denotes a stronger emphasis on the activity of ruling...refers to the right or office of ruling as king".
"malkut denotes a stronger emphasis" ... stronger than what? NIDOTTE is discussing two words, malkut and mamlaka.
Although the semantic aspects of these words largely overlap, it seems as though a stronger emphasis is put on the activity of ruling in the case of malkut. It therefore also refers to the right or office of ruling as king (e.g., 1 Sam. 20:31, 1 Kgs 2:12-15, 1 Chron 12:24), royal dignity (Esth 1:4), and even to the period of reign (e.g., Jer. 49:34).
In discussing the four words mamlaka, meluka, malkut, and mamlakut, NIDOTTE says that:
1) mamlaka - can best be translated kingdom or dominion
2) meluka - kingship
3) malkut -- overlaps mamlaka, refers to the right or office of ruling, royal dignity, and even to the period of reign
4) mamlakut - a contamination derived from mamlaka and malkutNote the following:
--- Your source specifically says that malkut, the word we have been discussing from Daniel 1:1 and Daniel 2:1, is used to refer to the period of reign.
--- Your source says that there is another word, meluka, which "is best translated as kingship."
Here is a scan from page 958. It is the conclusion of section 1.(c) from the previous page. Note the sentence, which I have underlined in red, which states that meluka [not malkut] is best translated as kingship.
You stated: >>> Such an observation indicates that it is not the duration of regnal years typified by a 'reign' but the characteristic or nature of that reign is implied by this theologically nuanced word. <<<
But a careful reading of section 1.(c) shows that your conclusion does not reflect what the authors actually said. The authors specifically said that malkut refers "even to the period of reign (e.g., Jer. 49:34)."
This is getting long, so I will discuss your next reference in another post.
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Chronic fatigue syndrome/fibromyalgia...
by Quentin inmy daughter has been diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome/fibromyalgia.
several questions: are they one in the same, are there any good web sites to look over?
also, when she was young she was abused/molested over a several year period.
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Quentin ---
I'm sorry to hear that your daughter is ill. CFS and fibromyalgia overlap quite a bit, but not everyone with CFS has fibromyalgia. Our daughter was extremely ill with CFS in high school and college, but she has made real improvement. There are so many web sites out there now that weren't available ten years ago. You might want to look at Dr. Teitelbaum's site:
https://www.endfatigue.com/home.nsf
He is one of the biggest names in CFS circles.
Supplements and dietary changes can help, along with gentle exercise and a regular routine, but it's a slow process with a lot of ups and downs. Our daughter really did much better after seeing a natural/alternative medical practicioner who urged her to eliminate wheat, dairy, and sugar from her diet.
Some people with CFS also have a certain kind of hypotension that shows up with a tilt table test. Their blood pressure may be perfectly normal most of the time, but will drop at other times. This is called neurally mediated hypotension. The researchers at Johns Hopkins were the ones who were looking into this some years ago. They told CFS patients who also had NMH to go on a high sodium diet to help support the adrenal system. But I think that this has not been as promising as originally hoped.
I haven't kept up with the CFS research because our daughter is grown now and she does her own reading. But I think a lot more is known now than when our daughter became ill. It was in the public eye quite a bit a few years ago when Seabiscuit was on the best seller lists (the author has CFS and she gave a lot of interviews telling about her experiences.)
Wishing your daughter all the best!
Regards,
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The 1914 Doctrine and The Threat of the Egibi Business Tablets
by VM44 incould the watchtower and the jehovah's witnesses survive the discarding of their 1914 doctrine?
the doctrine that in 1914 the end of the gentile times took place, jesus took up rule in heaven.
for some reason the jws think the outbreak of world war i in 1914 is proof their prophetic calculations were correct.
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Neil ---
You still seem to think you can discern shades of meaning in the Hebrew text by using the NWT's English renderings. Your methodology (to use one of your favorite words) is flawed. Start with the Hebrew. I realize you don't know Hebrew, but you can at least read the standard lexicons. You told me you own Brown-Driver-Briggs.
Here is a scan of page 575 of BDB. This is part of the entry for "malkuth." Note that they list Daniel 1:1 under the definition "reign."
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Scholar, please don't post and run...
by in a new york bethel minute innow, could you do us all a favour and read the replies to your post in the 607 thread?
there were a lot of questions raised by your comment and i think it would be a good witness if you would at least attempt to answer them.
two very important ones are:.
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The next paragraph from Insight again mentions Hattu as including Judah, describing the siege against Jerusalem in 597 (617 according to the Society).
A cuneiform inscription (British Museum 21946) states: "The seventh year: In the month Kislev the king of Akkad mustered his army and marched to Hattu. He encamped against the city of Judah and on the second day of the month Adar he captured the city (and) seized (its) king [Jehoiachin]. A king of his own choice [Zedekiah] he appointed in the city (and) taking the vast tribute he brought it into Babylon."
The Society, though usually very clear on identifying geographical locations, never gives any direct indication of where Hattu was.Why is this? It is because Jerusalem was in Hattu, and this supports the fact that Nebuchadnezzar did in fact take booty in his accession year, as supported by Daniel 1:1.
Jeffro ---Actually, if you search on "Hatti" rather than "Hattu," you'll find that the Society does identify Hatti/Hattu as the area of Phoenicia and Palestine. And in the second and third quotations below, Judah is part of Hatti land.
*** it-2 p. 893 Sennacherib *** Then, in what Sennacherib refers to as his "third campaign," he moved against "Hatti," a term evidently referring at that time to Phoenicia and Palestine. (Ancient Near Eastern Texts, edited by J. Pritchard, 1974, p. 287) This area was in a state of general rebellion against the Assyrian yoke. Among those who had rejected such domination was King Hezekiah of Judah (2Ki 18:7), though there is no evidence to show that he was in coalition with the other kingdoms in revolt.
*** it-2 p. 307 Manasseh *** Manasseh was punished for paying no attention to Jehovah’s message, the king of Assyria taking him captive to Babylon, one of the Assyrian monarch’s royal cities. (2Ch 33:10, 11) ‘Manasseh of Judah’ is mentioned in Assyrian King Esar-haddon’s list of 22 tribute-paying "kings of Hatti, the seashore and the islands." Manasseh’s name also appears in a list of kings tributary to Ashurbanipal.—Ancient Near Eastern Texts, edited by J. Pritchard, 1974, pp. 291, 294.
*** w69 2/1 p. 88 Babylonian Chronology—How Reliable? *** The Bible record is quite detailed in its account of the first punitive expedition against the kingdom of Judah by Nebuchadnezzar (or Nebuchadrezzar) in his seventh regnal year (or eighth year from his accession to the throne). (Jer. 52:28; 2 Ki. 24:12) In harmony with this a cuneiform inscription of the Babylonian Chronicle states: "In the seventh year, the month of Kislev, the king of Akkad [Nebuchadnezzar] mustered his troops, marched to Hatti-land [Syria-Palestine], and encamped against the city of Judah and on the second day of the month of Adar he seized the city and captured the king [Jehoiachin]. He appointed there a king of his own choice [Zedekiah], received its heavy tribute and sent (them) to Babylon."—Chronicles of Chaldaean Kings (626-556 B.C.), D. J. Wiseman, pages 67, 73.
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The 1914 Doctrine and The Threat of the Egibi Business Tablets
by VM44 incould the watchtower and the jehovah's witnesses survive the discarding of their 1914 doctrine?
the doctrine that in 1914 the end of the gentile times took place, jesus took up rule in heaven.
for some reason the jws think the outbreak of world war i in 1914 is proof their prophetic calculations were correct.
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Scholar wrote:
It is not ridiculous because the word 'reign' does not mean the same thing as 'kingship'. Both these terms are very different in meaning and in the case of Jehoiakim his reign and kingship were that of a vassal king.Neil,
The NWT uses "kingship" and "reign" interchangeably to translate the Hebrew word malkuth.
From the Furuli thread, 2003:
--- If there is a big difference between "kingship" and "reign" then can you explain this:
The word "KINGSHIP" is used in reference to:
Jehovah
Jehoiakim (our Daniel 1:1 verse)
Saul
Solomon
David
Darius the Persian
Zedekiah
Evil-Merodach
Nebuchadnezzar
Belshazzar
Rehoboam You said "the word kingship suggests vassalage by implication."
Is there an implication of vassalage with regard to Jehovah, Saul, Solomon, David, and Nebuchadnezzar? The word "REIGN" is used in reference to:Asa
Ahaz
Josiah
Ahasuerus
Artaxerxes
Darius the PersianRegards,
Marjorie (Edited several times because I can't get the material from the Furuli thread to display properly inside a quote box.)
