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  For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

  by Swamboozled in

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  just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

  i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

  http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

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  Hello kgav8r No flame intended on my part either. : I think it would have been much more reassuring to tell my fellow chosen people that our enemies would be destroyed forever with their cities destined to be a rock never to be rebuilt. What kind of confidence would this have given the people if they had known that at some time the cites would be restored to a new glory. Yes, I agree, but above all else in order for anyone to have confidence in God, He must always tell the truth if he can in fact foretell the future. Otherwise what confidence can future generations believe in what he foretells if he is not 100 percent accurate. :Granted, Tyre is not the place it used to be, but times have indeed changed. Yahweh did not lie, but he gave Ezekiel the power to bring hope to the people of Israel. Anyone can give hope, but it can be a false hope as in the case of the WTS. : Hope for a new restored nation with a new temple in which to humbly worship their God. Ezekiel is a book of encouragement. Yahweh punished israel for their sins, but because He still loved them and still had a future for them, they were able to return to their land as foretold. If you believe Yahwey is the giver of life to everyone, then He should love all his children, not just the Israelites. As I said before it is important, in fact imperative for an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent God, if He is such, to be 100 percent accurate. Otherwise it is like the little boy who cried wolf, no one in the end believed him because he did not always tell the truth. But then there is always the possibility that it was Ezekial who presumed he was spirit directed or inspired such as the GB of Jehovah's Witnesses, and NOT God who prompted him to write what he did. He may have went to far. We or at least I dont know for sure. All I know is that the city of Tyre is alive and well on the same spot it was supposed to lie desolate for times indefinite. Tor
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  For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

  by Swamboozled in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

  i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

  http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

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  Sure if you want to say that Tyre will sometime in the unknowable future will be laid desolate you can say that the bible may still be accurate. But thats really stretching things. That particular prophecy was written for that particular people at that time. What good would it be to destroy the city thousands of years in the future on a people that dont have a clue about the prophecy meant for them. Tor
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  For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

  by Swamboozled in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

  i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

  http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

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  kgav8r : I am going to have to agree (at least i think i'm agreeing, not really sure at this point) with 3rdW. The prophecy of Tyre was fullfilled but not until 322 B.C. (or is that 302 B.C.E.) by Alexander the Great.

  How is it fulfilled if the city of Tyre at this date in history is populated by over 200,000 people which encompasses the island, the peninsula (which now connects the island to the mainland), and the mainland itself? It has not remained desolate as Ezekial prophecy foretold. Tor
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  For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

  by Swamboozled in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

  i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

  http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

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  Excellent SteveNYC!

  By 3rdwitness definition, Tyre could become desolated today or 1000 years from now and say that is still the fulfillment of the prophecy.

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  For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

  by Swamboozled in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

  i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

  http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

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  Hey Thirdwitness, :Jehovah of course had Ezekiel write exactly what he wanted him to write. It sure dont sound like it to me. : And by seeking the scriptures we know exactly what Ezekiel meant. You have to twist things to make it say something it does not. :He did not say nor mean that Neb would destroy Tyre to the point of never being rebuilt. I believe that is exactly what he said> : If Jehovah wanted to say that I suspect he would have said it exactly the way he did about Egypt. He would have said, 'By the hand of Neb Tyre will never be rebuilt' Just as he said 'By the hand of Neb Egypt will cease' etc etc. Are you saying Egypt is no more? I beg to differ.I believe Egypt is alive and well. :There is no comparison. But hey if you have a scripture from Isaiah or Zech or another prophet contradicting Ezekiel about Egypt by all means bring it forth. The one we already have is enough. Why dont you answer the questions AlanF had about Jerusalem? Toreador
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  For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

  by Swamboozled in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

  i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

  http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

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  I believe the Bible because it is true, it is God's Word and not man's word.

  Neil, how do you account for the FACT that the bible was not canonized or collated until appx 425 A.D.? Obviously UNINSPIRED men voted on what was to be or not to be in the canon. What say you? and how do you account for the FACT that the bible was not canonized or collated until appx 425 A.D.? Obviously UNINSPIRED men voted on what was to be or not to be in the canon. Why do we not haeve a single writing of Jesus' himself?

  What say you?

  Tor
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  For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

  by Swamboozled in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

  i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

  http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

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  Scholar wrote:

  So you abandon your former beliefs for what ? Spiritual darknes because you have left the 'light of truth' and have found nothing else, not even new beliefs, not even a new conversion. Is this really smart? To leave something for a nothing is just plain done and shows the state of your intellectual character and faith. You do not deal with doubt by abandoning such doubts but use those doubts as stepping stones to greater wisdom and understanding as found in God's Word and revealed by the Faithful and Discreet Salve and Holy Spirit.

  What the heck? How do you apply this salve scholar!? This must be some new light that I didnt hear about yet.When I left they weren't selling any salve. Is it kind of like Russel's miracle wheat scam?

  Tor
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  For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

  by Swamboozled in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

  i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

  http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

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  Scholar:

  The question of the existence of the 'celebrated' ones is not for your knowledge or for others and your opinion on this matter is of little merit. As regards to disputes on chronology wel it is the apostates who create such disputes as they serve the Devil's purpose in blinding the minds of people to the reality of the Kingdom established Heavenly in 1914 and discerned with the 'eyes of faith'.

  Whose knowledge is it for then? Why should we believe in invisible celebrated scholars Neil?

  Neil, you are deriving your dates for 1914 by using profane chronology. How does this fit in with using the bible to arrive at 1914. If it was "REALLY" important for bible readers and or believers to arrive at 1914 as a significant date in history, the only logical conclusion is that God would have provided for such a determination using the bible alone and not satans minions or the babylonians or any other profane chronology to do so. Your logic is fatally flawed in this respect. How do you answer such critizisms?

  Tor
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  For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

  by Swamboozled in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

  i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

  http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

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  Scholar wrote:

  So you abandon your former beliefs for what ? Spiritual darknes because you have left the 'light of truth' and have found nothing else, not even new beliefs, not even a new conversion. Is this really smart? To leave something for a nothing is just plain done and shows the state of your intellectual character and faith. You do not deal with doubt by abandoning such doubts but use those doubts as stepping stones to greater wisdom and understanding as found in God's Word and revealed by the Faithful and Discreet Salve and Holy Spirit.

  What the heck? How do you apply this salve scholar!? This must be some new light that I didnt hear about yet.When I left they weren't selling any salve. Is it kind of like Russel's miracle wheat scam?

  Tor
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  God's "Spirit Directed Organization"???

  by integ in

  1. jw
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  just got back from the district assembly and during the baptism talk the speaker made this statement: "...in association with god's spirit directed organization?".

  now, correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't jr brown (the societies media spokesman) say during an interview that the witnesses do not consider themselves to be "spirit directed"?.

  before i get all mad and outraged about this, would someone either confirm or refute the fact that "brother" brown made this statement?.

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  You put that very well Alan. When I asked my MIL about it she actually thought the org was "inspired" as I think many of them do in actuality. I think this sort of mentality is pushed or wanted by the GB even though as you say they dont come out and directly say it, they do ram the thought of "spirit-direction" down their throats over and over again. As I said, in the minds of most, because of the constant reinforcement of saying they are "spirit directed" they think the two are synonomous.

  Tor