You're right Gerard! I should pull my head out of the sand!!! Holy crap! The WT owns a small plane! And they used it to fly to a remote fishing lodge in Alaska. Alert the press! Alert the press!
Posts by amac
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25Hidding WT's Alaskan Plane?
by Gerard inback on october/10, i posted links to two incidents incurred by a wt's airplane on alaskan fishing lodges:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/60166/1.ashx
it is supposed to be that all vehicles belonging to the wt are registered under the name: "kingdom support services.
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Hidding WT's Alaskan Plane?
by Gerard inback on october/10, i posted links to two incidents incurred by a wt's airplane on alaskan fishing lodges:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/60166/1.ashx
it is supposed to be that all vehicles belonging to the wt are registered under the name: "kingdom support services.
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amac
It does not explain the second incident where the dubs visited NOT A TOWN but a fishing lodge- the hottest in 19,200 square miles.
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Bed wetting?
by got my forty homey? inany one in here who was raised as a jw ever have a problem with bed wetting growing up?
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amac
I had a problem until I was about 10 and now my poor son has it too! I spank him everytime he does it......just kidding. I feel bad for him...and responsible for it.
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US calls off search for weapons of mass destruction
by WhyNow2000 inthe bush administration has quietly withdrawn a 400-member military team.
it sent to baghdad to scour iraq for evidence of unconventional weapons.... .
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2004/0109/901262949hm1iraq.html.
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amac
So, how much terrorism does one need support before they are a threat to the world?
Enough to where it is a CURRENT threat to enough people that the world agrees on attacking them. That DEFINITELY did not happen.
AMAC...Abu Nidal is a terrorist group...but is also the name of an individual TERRORIST...who lived in Baghdad under Saddam's protection...for a while. Here's info on the guy...pretty bad character.
The website says:
2002 August: Dies in Baghdad, Iraq under circumstances that quickly become questioned. Iraqi authorities claim that he had entered Iraq illegally, and when discovered by officials, he shot himself.
So it looks like not only did Iraq stop harbouring him, but they killed him (or made him kill himself.) Shouldn't we have given them an award or something instead of saying that is why we are attacking them?
so I guess his being Jewish makes his life less valuable?
This is not like you Yeru...are you trying to insinuate that I don't value the lives of Jews? A terrorist who kills one person is not a reason to go to war. If it is, then the whole damn world should be fighting each other.
AMAC...the world changed with the attack on 9-11...people in responsibility take threats serious now. That's why the change.
The only thing that has changed is peoples perception of the problem. It went from complete ignorance to wrongdoings elsewhere in the world to attack those we are afraid of. (An obvious generalization, but as broad a brush as saying the world has changed.)
WHERE's the lie?
The lie is the deception that Bush used to get the US population to think that Saddam was capable of attacking the US with WMD. None have been found yet and it appears that he was not capable of doing diddly squat to us. -
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US calls off search for weapons of mass destruction
by WhyNow2000 inthe bush administration has quietly withdrawn a 400-member military team.
it sent to baghdad to scour iraq for evidence of unconventional weapons.... .
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2004/0109/901262949hm1iraq.html.
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amac
We also must never forget the most vivid events of recent history. On September the 11th, 2001, America felt its vulnerability -- even to threats that gather on the other side of the earth. We resolved then, and we are resolved today, to confront every threat, from any source, that could bring sudden terror and suffering to America. He's not blaming Iraq for 9-11, but rather explaining the reason for the change in attitude of the US.
Yeru, I'm sorry, Bush is stupid but he's not that stupid. This is how he relies on people's fear of terrorism, by aligning Iraq with 9-11, just even mentioning it was out of order. What does Iraq have to do with 9-11 other than they hate the US? "...to confront every threat, from any source, that could bring sudden terror and suffering to America." He infers that Iraq is capable of sudden terror against the US and mentioning this right after a 9-11 reference is no doubt going to evoke unstoppable emotions and support based on....nothing.
And that is the source of our urgent concern about Saddam Hussein's links to international terrorist groups. Over the years, Iraq has provided safe haven to terrorists such as Abu Nidal, Yet people still want to say Saddam didn't aid terrorists
Abu Nidal is reported defunct as of 2002. Plus they were also supported by Libya, Syria and Palestine (let's attack all them too.) We went to war over a defunct terrorist group? Are we attacking on past crimes? If so, we better watch our back, because we sure do have a long list.
Abu Abbas killed ONE American in 1985. That's a good reason to attack a whole country? Besides, the US caught him even though it meant they had to violate the Oslo Peace accords. But nevermind that, the US doesn't REALLY have to do what they promise to do.Abu Abbas, who was responsible for seizing the Achille Lauro and killing an American passenger. And we know that Iraq is continuing to finance terror and gives assistance to groups that use terrorism to undermine Middle East peace. All these sound like goo reasons for war.
No, those don't sound like good reasons for war. I wonder how many terrorists we have aided? Do dictators count? If so we are just as guilty.
I don't know enough about this to comment effectively. Is this documented? Or is it like some of the other claims that were proved false?Some al Qaeda leaders who fled Afghanistan went to Iraq. These include one very senior al Qaeda leader who received medical treatment in Baghdad this year, and who has been associated with planning for chemical and biological attacks. We've learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases
Yes, very significant. It means they hate us. So let's attack them! Honestly, I find it sickening and depressing. But war will only perpetuate sentiments like that. You certainly can't beat hate out of people.And we know that after September the 11th, Saddam Hussein's regime gleefully celebrated the terrorist attacks on America. You don't find this significant?
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US calls off search for weapons of mass destruction
by WhyNow2000 inthe bush administration has quietly withdrawn a 400-member military team.
it sent to baghdad to scour iraq for evidence of unconventional weapons.... .
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2004/0109/901262949hm1iraq.html.
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amac
We aren't always the good guys...but in the case of Iraq...we are...I can think of no other country doing BETTER...is the US just held to a higher standard?
No not a higher standard, just not graded on a curve. I guess we have different viewpoints on what entails being the good guys. I'm not sure what we are currently doing that is making us good? To me, supporting an internal revolution would be a good thing (which we failed to do.) Attacking the country is not (which is what we are doing.)
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US calls off search for weapons of mass destruction
by WhyNow2000 inthe bush administration has quietly withdrawn a 400-member military team.
it sent to baghdad to scour iraq for evidence of unconventional weapons.... .
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2004/0109/901262949hm1iraq.html.
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amac
it was driven more from a fear that Communism would take hold in the South...like we needed South and Central America to be communist.
That was what the US wanted everyone to feel. Communism bad!! Must Stop!!!! Devil's Work!!! You're right that they didn't want communism in the South....they didn't want it because it would have meant the nationalization of all the mines, mills, plantations and banks that the US was collecting large amounts of money from. It had nothing to do with bettering anyone's life, it had to do with MONEY. In the 50's they relied on the people's fear of commies. I can't help but feel that today they rely on their fear of terrorism.
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Clapping
by Stefanie ini was just remembering in the hall i attended, the "friends" would clap when someone got reinstated, then they stopped when there was a talk from the platform about it being inappropriate.
i was just wondering why they say something like that.
and it would seem to me that people going back in were doing them a favor, why would they be so cruel.
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amac
You're correct that they do not clap at reinstatements. It's ridiculous and so contrary to the human nature that God instilled in us. Their reasoning is that the person being reinstated should not be publicly congratulated for something they aught to be doing anyway. So much for the whole prodigal son thingy...
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US calls off search for weapons of mass destruction
by WhyNow2000 inthe bush administration has quietly withdrawn a 400-member military team.
it sent to baghdad to scour iraq for evidence of unconventional weapons.... .
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2004/0109/901262949hm1iraq.html.
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amac
Yeru,
I'm sure you agree that the US gov't impressed on the US people that the main reason for going to war was because that Iraq had WMD and were a danger to the world. Either that or the media twisted everything and the Bush administration did nothing to stop it. Otherwise the majority of the US population is suffering mass hysteria in all thinking the same thing.
Isn't it easy to see why people feel lied to since no WMD have been found that show Iraq to have been a dangerous threat to the world?
I don't deny that Saddam was evil and Iraq is better off without him in power. Do I think life in Iraq will improve? Probably not. Do I think that Iraqis really wanted to be invaded and have Saddam ousted? It's very hard to tell. There is nothing concrete about this that makes me feel good about Bush's tactics.
About the US in general...Yes, Batista is an obvious example and I appreciate you noting and acknowledging that mistake. But he is far from the only. Just about every "banana republic" in South America has had US involvement for the sole reason of retaining and perpetuating an export economy that benefited US companies such as the United Fruit Co (who's lead company lawyer was a brother of the head of CIA in the 50's oddly enough.) and reduced the local people to near indentured servants (what's that song by Johnny Cash...something like "I owe my soul to the company store..." seems fitting.)
How can I trust and support a government that I KNOW have destroyed the lives of entire regions of people simply for their capitalist endeavors, a.k.a. GREED! How can I pretend that all of a sudden we are the good guys?
I realize that administrations change, but when a gov't has a history like ours, you become skeptical and you look for concrete reason to put trust in an administration. Bush has done the exact OPPOSITE! That's why he must go.
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What is the appeal of Watchtower Farm and Patterson?
by Never Was ina little background on me.
i have never been a jw or had any desire to be one.
i definitely have no desire to join.
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amac
Oddly enough, when I was at Bethel I worked out and played sports more than any other time in my life. Everything is so regimented that once you get it into your schedule, you stick to it. I also seemed to spend alot of time over in Manhattan.