Posts by maksutov

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Proceedings and Decievings

by Coded Logic in

you may be seated.. peter mcclellan: now, mr. ministerial servant, as i understand it, you are authorized to make decisions in regards to child abuse cases?.

now, mr. elder, as i understand, it you are authorized to make decisions in regards to child abuse cases?.

now, mr. slick, as i understand it, you are authorized to make decisions in regards to child abuse cases?.

maksutov

This could almost be a real transcript, rofl.

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There is likely to be two parts to Geoffrey Jackson's Subpeona

by Listener in

we've been focusing on the fact that geoffrey jackson will be subpoenaed to be a witness at the australian royal commission but he will also be required to present a witness statement before his appearance.

even if he continues to wiggle out of the appearance he has no excuse for not presenting his witness statement.. this statement will have to address questions set out by the commission and will need to be answered.

without doubt the answers he is able to be aided by his lawyers and more 'experienced' jws but as he is signing the document they will be his answers and he will be responsible for their truthfulness.. had he shown more willingness to appear prior to yesterday the questions asked by the commission in that statement would not have been written with the same amount of insight that they now have.

maksutov

username: I have an uncomfortable feeling that this may have all been staged. All the elders playing dumb to give the Royal Commission a false sense of security, then Jackson steppes up to the board and has them spinning!

I highly doubt that. If they actually had any defense for their policies, they would not have gone to all the trouble of making themselves look foolish, committing perjury, and being uncooperative, just so that they could say 'ta da!' and reveal that they're really shining examples of how to respond to child abuse. If they had actually wanted Jackson to testify, they would have volunteered him. They clearly do not want him to testify, and are willing to make themselves look terrible, and throw even the branch coordinator under the bus to prevent him having to.

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Rodney Spinks' Performance

by maksutov in

it seems like there has not been as much discussion here about the rc testimony on day 6 (4th august) as there has been about previous days.

i was quite surprised by rodney spinks' testimony, which was a marked contrast to the bungling and inarticulate testimony of the elders that appeared before him.

spinks seemed reasonably co-operative, and a lot more willing to concede points than anyone else has been.

maksutov

OrphanCrow: He was horrible to the women lawyers.

Really? Interesting. I haven't watched the whole thing, I only saw parts 2, 3, and 4, and did not see any female lawyers asking questions.

@Axelspeed - I love the chess references, very apt! GB = king, but the real power is in the Queen/legal department. Spot on!

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I sent this to Angus Stewart this morning (Easter Standard Time)

by Viviane in

i just sent this email to angus stewart:.

i hope this email finds you well.

i would like to say thank you for your work on the royal commission, particularly in your handling of the jehovah's witnesses elders and experts during questioning.

maksutov

I also sent Mr Stewart an e-mail yesterday, and received a reply this morning. As we're sharing, here's what I said:

Mr Stewart.

I would just like to thank you and your team for the tireless and relentless work you have put in to exposing the tragically destructive flaws in JW attitudes to child protection.

For many years now, ex JWs have been trying to call attention to the problem, but this is the most robust and competent investigation I have ever come across. I am very hopeful that your efforts will have a positive impact on the lives of hundreds, possibly thousands of children. By cutting deftly through the Watchtower spin and deflections, you are giving victims of abuse an eloquent voice and standing up to those who would silence vulnerable children in a misguided attempt to protect the reputation of an organisation.

I'm sure there are times during this hearing that you want to scream, but your skill and professionalism is a pleasure to behold, and adds further weight to the solid arguments you make.

Thank you!

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Rodney Spinks' Performance

by maksutov in

it seems like there has not been as much discussion here about the rc testimony on day 6 (4th august) as there has been about previous days.

i was quite surprised by rodney spinks' testimony, which was a marked contrast to the bungling and inarticulate testimony of the elders that appeared before him.

spinks seemed reasonably co-operative, and a lot more willing to concede points than anyone else has been.

maksutov

I agree there were definitely plenty of faults to find, and he was dishonest at times, but I suppose I took it as read that that would be the case. Still, he seemed to perform much better than the others. I would think a moderate JW watching days 1-5 would feel very uncomfortable, but day 6 would make them feel soooo much better. If my wife were to watch any of the proceedings, I would hate for it to be just today's, as I think it would give the impression that everything is fine.

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Rodney Spinks' Performance

by maksutov in

it seems like there has not been as much discussion here about the rc testimony on day 6 (4th august) as there has been about previous days.

i was quite surprised by rodney spinks' testimony, which was a marked contrast to the bungling and inarticulate testimony of the elders that appeared before him.

spinks seemed reasonably co-operative, and a lot more willing to concede points than anyone else has been.

maksutov

It seems like there has not been as much discussion here about the RC testimony on day 6 (4th August) as there has been about previous days. I was quite surprised by Rodney Spinks' testimony, which was a marked contrast to the bungling and inarticulate testimony of the elders that appeared before him. Spinks seemed reasonably co-operative, and a lot more willing to concede points than anyone else has been. He still often missed the point, or tried to deflect, and made some laughably ridiculous comments (like putting the Bible ahead of scientific discoveries) but his testimony actually gave me a little bit of hope that there is a willingness to co-operate and make improvements.

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[Day 5 - 3/8]The Royal Commissions investigation of child sexual abuse within Jehovah’s Witnesses. + VIDEO

by C0ntr013r in

so, i am back at it.

i give you day 5 of the royal commissions proceedings:.

part 1 has been uploaded and part 2,3 and 4 will soon be available.. part 1:.

maksutov

Mr Baker doesn't seem like much of an apostate - still a Bible-thumping misogynist, and mentally 'in', defending the JWs, albeit somewhat more compassionate than the elders.

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Contacted by Royal Commission today

by umbertoecho in

firstly, thank you to anyone who is in support of this rc.

no one has shown anything but great interest and empathy for those who were abused.. i don't know who this simonsays character is though and i find him to be very rude and ignorant.

it takes all kinds to make the world go round i suppose.. today i was contacted by a staff member of the royal commission.

maksutov

Kudos, and good luck, umbertoecho.

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Kudos: for those of you who awakened with you significant others. You are so LUCKY!!!

by goingthruthemotions in

like the title says....those of you who made it out with you husbands or wives.

you people are so lucky!!!.

lucky because your wife or husband isn't brain dead and can think and reason for themselves.

maksutov

I'm happy for those whose spouse left with them. Also very envious. But I would rather be awake myself and have a poorer marriage than live in ignorance - ignorance is not bliss. I also count myself lucky - my wife is still a WT drone, but not a complete looney, and we have something we can still salvage, at least for now.

I hope you can find a way to cope with your frustration - we all know the cult has limitless capacity to destroy families, and it is heartbreaking to see it happen before your eyes. My family will never be the same again - my dad has disowned me, and my in-laws avoid me. It sucks, but I still feel lucky to have escaped.

I don't mean to minimise what you are going through - there was a time when grief, frustration, and anger was threatening to consume me, but in my case I have found some relief by forcing myself to look at things more philosophically and focus on the good that can come from my new-found freedom of thought.

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JW Reaction to Royal Commission Reports

by maksutov in

has anybody confronted any jws with the royal commission reports on the news yet?

i showed my 8-year old daughter a newspaper headline about it, and when she told my jw wife that the jws in australia were in trouble for not reporting over 1,000 child abusers to police, her response was "oh, really?

well, i don't know what the rules are over there.

maksutov

All good comments. In fairness to my wife, the subject was thrust on her without warning and she had absolutely no frame of reference for it, and was completely unaware of any of the details, only that there was an accusatory newspaper headline. She will likely have made the assumption that the org could not possibly have done anything wrong and that they are just being persecuted over some technicality of reporting rules. I hope she will be curious enough to investigate further, but I'm not holding my breath.

Nice to see in other threads that some JWs are apparently being shaken though.