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J Dubs Coffee Shop
by Amazing inlast october 2008, someone named jim whitney opened a coffee shop named "j. dubs coffee" which we know is slang for jehovah's witnesses.. could it be me?
i am neither confirming nor denying it!
http://www.jdubscoffee.com/j_dubs_in_the_news.html.
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J Dubs Coffee Shop
by Amazing inlast october 2008, someone named jim whitney opened a coffee shop named "j. dubs coffee" which we know is slang for jehovah's witnesses.. could it be me?
i am neither confirming nor denying it!
http://www.jdubscoffee.com/j_dubs_in_the_news.html.
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Last October 2008, someone named Jim Whitney opened a coffee shop named "j. dubs coffee" which we know is slang for Jehovah's Witnesses.
Could it be me? Well, could it? I am neither confirming nor denying it! Read and decide for yourself:
http://www.jdubscoffee.com/J_Dubs_In_the_News.html
Only my hair dresser knows for sure ... I tell her everything.Yes, I edited the post and changed the title ... why? ... because I can!
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A Secret about DF'ing that Elders will NEVER tell you.
by Amazing inwhen i discussed this with some ex-jws in the past, they have pointed out to me that the following is not done in actual pracrice.
of course it is not done in practrice ... that is why i referred to it as a "secret" because elders do not normally disclose such information, either because they fear its effect, or because they have not thoroughly paid attention to the "pay attention" book.
in this post, i am not arguing about actual practice ... rather what the undisclosed, withheld, secretive information is ... and how being armed may allow """some""" jws to relax their conscience.. a secret that elders will not openly tell you.
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Undercover: You are correct in that I made the suggestion ... spot on ... I do not deny it ...iIt was for the few who might want to think about it ... and it also detracted from the main point, and that is what I regret. It I ever repost it, I shall eliminate the paragraph. I just thought that the information in the "Pay Attention" book would be most fascinating.
Outaservice: I am neither confirming nor denying it ... let the reader decide ... I will make a new posting about it.
Password: That is interesting news ... I hope I can get a copy of the new "Pay Attention" book ... and see what juicy things are in it.
Homerovah: Right on!
Lukewarm: Yep, good points ... this is pretty much as it has always been ... the same party line fed to the masses ... and yet the "Pay Attention" book allows an Elder to privately say something different to a rank-n-file member if he so chooses. Most Elders do not so choose. But, there are those who do and do so in private counsel.
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A Secret about DF'ing that Elders will NEVER tell you.
by Amazing inwhen i discussed this with some ex-jws in the past, they have pointed out to me that the following is not done in actual pracrice.
of course it is not done in practrice ... that is why i referred to it as a "secret" because elders do not normally disclose such information, either because they fear its effect, or because they have not thoroughly paid attention to the "pay attention" book.
in this post, i am not arguing about actual practice ... rather what the undisclosed, withheld, secretive information is ... and how being armed may allow """some""" jws to relax their conscience.. a secret that elders will not openly tell you.
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Undercover,
You can parade what ever book or quote you want...you can quote scripture even... It won't do any good if the elders are on a witch hunt. Face it, if they're concerned that an active dub is associating too much with a DFd relative, they're going to hound them about it. And if they don't like the response they get they're going to keep hounding them. Throwing their own book back in their face is only going to make them more determined to put that person in their place.
It is obvious to me that the point of the post is lost ... I am not trying to get anyone to do anything ... the point was to show the double-speak and insideousness of how the WTS works ... I think that the "Pay Attention" book demonstrated the point. I am sorry for the paragraph that talked about a possibility and I am sorry that I posted this thread. -
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A Secret about DF'ing that Elders will NEVER tell you.
by Amazing inwhen i discussed this with some ex-jws in the past, they have pointed out to me that the following is not done in actual pracrice.
of course it is not done in practrice ... that is why i referred to it as a "secret" because elders do not normally disclose such information, either because they fear its effect, or because they have not thoroughly paid attention to the "pay attention" book.
in this post, i am not arguing about actual practice ... rather what the undisclosed, withheld, secretive information is ... and how being armed may allow """some""" jws to relax their conscience.. a secret that elders will not openly tell you.
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Scully,
If a JW relative's association with me has more to do with what the WTS's doctrine du jour says they can or cannot do than their familial relationship with me, then they can go f*ck themselves. I don't need that toxic bull$h!t in my life.
The purpose of my post was not to elicite ex-JWs to do anything ... it was about WTS double speak ... and your attitude toward your family is what it is.
My response:
Fine ... but some actually give a damn about their family, and may want to find a way to get through to them without imposing such standards as you defined that their family is unaware of ... and this perhaps is one way. Also, the main point of my post is not to deal with emotional blackmail ... but to highlight Watchtower hypocrisy and double-speak.
We both know that JW friends and relatives are acting out what they believe ... they would turn around in a heartbeat if their beliefs changed. So, I took your comments to be rather harsh ... but nothing in my response demands an apology to you.
"Don't get me wrong, Jim. I "give a damn" about my family. I'm just sick and tired of being jacked around by them in on-again-off-again relationships, without advance warning. They lie to cover their tracks by saying they "deleted their facebook/myspace/yahoo profile" when I have evidence that they simply changed their privacy settings. They *KNOW* they can have a relationship with me. The male parties in my family are Elders™ and have their very own copies of The Flock book. They actually have Spirit Directed™ permission to associate with me and even have "spiritual conversations" with me due to their status as Elders™. They have relationships with other family members and non-family members who are either DFd, DAd, brought up JW and did not commit to baptism. They just enjoy the bullying and the ability to pick and choose how to apply the "rules" and to whom to apply the "rules"."
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Shame on them for doing that to you ... I was good freinds with a ex-JW couple who were DF'd, and their relatives would associate with them on and off again, depending on whether the policy WTS would relax or tighten up. Eventually, the couple ended up returning to the organization, and now shun me totally. Go figure.
"I'm sorry you disagree with my "standards", Jim, however I am finally choosing what is in my best interests after over a decade's worth of trying to be kind and "the better person" toward my JW relatives, while walking on eggshells to "respect" and avoid offending their JW sensitivities. I'm not about to let anyone abuse me that way again."
I did not disagree or agree with your standard(s). Perhaps it would have been better of me to say that some are not, or do not feel blackmailed and feel that they have a shot at getting through to their families. Some have not given up yet. Each person has to decide for themselves. I really do not have any concern as to what you or anyone else does. My post was done for the stated purpose, and not to tell anyone what to do or how to feel.
"My point is that sometimes it is necessary to let go of the fantasy that one can have a peachy relationship with JW relatives. Life is too short to coddle irrational people following irrational rules supplied to them by an imaginary authority figure. When I think about how I've been humiliated and interrogated by the relatives in question and revealed very private information about the JW who molested me and the molestation, so that they could "justify" associating with me, only to have them do an about-face and treat me like a DFd person (even though I am not a DFd or DAd person) I feel totally betrayed by these people and want absolutely nothing to do with them."
That is understandable ... and how you feel and react to them is your own business.
"They owe me an apology, and so do you, Jim."
No, nothing in my comments requires an apology to you. I am sorry if we misunderstood one another and it led to upsetting you. Nothing in my words attacked you or your standards. I opened to you by saying "Fine ..." an expression that acknowledged your right and business to act as you wish. Others have the right and it is their business to act the same as you or to choose something different for themselves according to their own circumstances.
I too have been abused and mistreated in many ways by JWs and non-JWs. Many people that have come in and out of my life have expected me to act or conduct myself to please them ... and I no longer feel obligated to do so if I do not honestlky feel that I should. -
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A Secret about DF'ing that Elders will NEVER tell you.
by Amazing inwhen i discussed this with some ex-jws in the past, they have pointed out to me that the following is not done in actual pracrice.
of course it is not done in practrice ... that is why i referred to it as a "secret" because elders do not normally disclose such information, either because they fear its effect, or because they have not thoroughly paid attention to the "pay attention" book.
in this post, i am not arguing about actual practice ... rather what the undisclosed, withheld, secretive information is ... and how being armed may allow """some""" jws to relax their conscience.. a secret that elders will not openly tell you.
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Blondie: as I said ... adios!
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A Secret about DF'ing that Elders will NEVER tell you.
by Amazing inwhen i discussed this with some ex-jws in the past, they have pointed out to me that the following is not done in actual pracrice.
of course it is not done in practrice ... that is why i referred to it as a "secret" because elders do not normally disclose such information, either because they fear its effect, or because they have not thoroughly paid attention to the "pay attention" book.
in this post, i am not arguing about actual practice ... rather what the undisclosed, withheld, secretive information is ... and how being armed may allow """some""" jws to relax their conscience.. a secret that elders will not openly tell you.
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Blondie: You changed your posting, as it was originally to me, asking if the 2007 article was not good enough ... now I see your change game. Okay ... perhaps I have been a bit too generous ... and this explains a lot now about our previous exchange on 1 John 4:1 ... and has made me re-think something about it all.
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A Secret about DF'ing that Elders will NEVER tell you.
by Amazing inwhen i discussed this with some ex-jws in the past, they have pointed out to me that the following is not done in actual pracrice.
of course it is not done in practrice ... that is why i referred to it as a "secret" because elders do not normally disclose such information, either because they fear its effect, or because they have not thoroughly paid attention to the "pay attention" book.
in this post, i am not arguing about actual practice ... rather what the undisclosed, withheld, secretive information is ... and how being armed may allow """some""" jws to relax their conscience.. a secret that elders will not openly tell you.
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Blondie: I did not say that 2007 does not count ... read the rest of what I wrote. Privately, the "Pay Attention" book will hold more weight for an Elder.
Darth:
This goes back to a classic post by JT. It IS an un-written rule in dub-land that if you can provide info (source material) that the society has published in the past, that info can prove your case or argument.
Amen! My point exactly. Thanks!
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A Secret about DF'ing that Elders will NEVER tell you.
by Amazing inwhen i discussed this with some ex-jws in the past, they have pointed out to me that the following is not done in actual pracrice.
of course it is not done in practrice ... that is why i referred to it as a "secret" because elders do not normally disclose such information, either because they fear its effect, or because they have not thoroughly paid attention to the "pay attention" book.
in this post, i am not arguing about actual practice ... rather what the undisclosed, withheld, secretive information is ... and how being armed may allow """some""" jws to relax their conscience.. a secret that elders will not openly tell you.
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Blondie: With the exception of the last one, all your quotes come from before the release of "Pay Attention" book. And, as I noted to Snakes, if an Elder is pushed on the topic from the "Pay Attention" book he will rely on it ... and a JW can save him or her sel from being DF'd. In KM schools the Society will have Elders make notes in the margins ... and this is the text book of choice.
Skully: Fine ... but some actuyally give a damn about their family, and may want to find a way to get through to them without imposing such standards as you defined that their family is unaware of ... and this perhaps is one way. Also, the main point of my post is not to deal with emotional blackmail ... but to highlight Watchtower hypocrisy and double-speak.
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A Secret about DF'ing that Elders will NEVER tell you.
by Amazing inwhen i discussed this with some ex-jws in the past, they have pointed out to me that the following is not done in actual pracrice.
of course it is not done in practrice ... that is why i referred to it as a "secret" because elders do not normally disclose such information, either because they fear its effect, or because they have not thoroughly paid attention to the "pay attention" book.
in this post, i am not arguing about actual practice ... rather what the undisclosed, withheld, secretive information is ... and how being armed may allow """some""" jws to relax their conscience.. a secret that elders will not openly tell you.
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Snakes: Likewise, as a former Elder myself, I agree that there are many Watchtower articles before and after the "Pay Attention" book which give JWs the impression that they can not associate with DF'd relatives. That is why I may the opening point about actual practice. Hell, when the CO comes to town and learns of any 'associating' he will blow a gasket if he learns that some are doing this sort of thing. But, when push comes to shove, an Elder will fall back on the "Pay Attention" book before looking up much in the Watchtower ... and a saavy JW who corners an Elder into referring to it can save him/her self from being DF'd for this reason.
Only my hair dresser knows for sure ... I tell her everything.