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Do you have anger issues because of mistreatment by JW's?

by LyinEyes in

i have been reading the thead on jw suicide the last two days and i have to admit, i am boiling mad, angry, and literally have thoughts of wanting to put my hands around some of the jw's who have abused so many......lol!!!!!!!

i realize this is not at all funny, but i do laugh at how i let this get to me to the point of fantazing of slapping some of the "higher than thou" jw's i have ran across in my life and those whom some of you decribed.

i read scully's story and wanted to choak the ones who did not pass her the emblems at the memorial.. i get so mad when i read how some of the jw's want to pass judgement on the one's who have committed suicide , saying they will not be resurrected.

Rabbit

It is a good serious thread Dede, thank you for starting it. A "Great Crowd" of people here with a Great Deal of hurt, pain and anger.

I like this: As Ray Franz says " We are the victims of victims"

True words...

I've had some "stuff" come up recently that's depressing...it sure makes all the oily crap 'float to the top'. My youngest is about to turn 18, she is very much under the mind set and control of her JW Mom and of course the WT Mafia family in NY. When she turns 18 -- that will likely be my last contact with her -- for the foreseeable future. She can get on with "Full Time Shunning" then, because -- no more visitation will be available to me. Then of course...she can make up her own mind, who knows which way the wind will blow her? She is just an innocent and very young victim, as were both her parents and their parents. I am not angry at them..I feel sorry for them. Neither of my 2 older kids now have anything to do with the KH anymore and my eldest and I get along good now, much to the disgust of their Mother.

So, there is "hope", it's just that soon -- because of "...the loving Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses's" I will have NO access, I will be OUT of the loop. I will continue to love them and try to keep up contact...what else is a father to do ??? Dozens of letters and cards over the last several years -- never answered or acknowledged. According to my oldest...never delivered to my daughters by their Mom.

We have to realize that we as X-JW's are just as important (to faithful JW's) as a crumpled piece of paper...easily thrown away. No matter -- we are parents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles...cousins... * sigh *

Victims: While going thru therapy for major depression after this all started several years ago...my doc wisely pointed out something to me. She said, "You feel like you've been a victim, don't you?"

"Well...yeah...I AM A VICTIM !"

"That's true, she says, but how long are you going to STAY a victim...?

"W-w-hat, do you mean ?"

She let me know it would be hard, very hard, but, if I was going to survive this...I was going to have to stop letting them 'make me a victim'. In other words, we all have a choice...we can sit down and let this kill us or...we can go on. She said, "Right now...to your family and church...you look like a failure...in their eyes, because you have forsaken THEIR beliefs..."

" So-o...what if you show them a successful happy person again? They will see that and it will make more of an impression than anything else you can do..."

Well...that is very hard indeed. With all our JW baggage...whew!

I want to end this comment on an upbeat note tho'...this is a cycle...this is temporary. We have others like us who have walked in our shoes and WE are showing love for one another...that's why we'll survive. I know I will do it eventually. I am motivated by freedom and love for my family and I will...

Never Surrender...

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Do you have anger issues because of mistreatment by JW's?

by LyinEyes in

i have been reading the thead on jw suicide the last two days and i have to admit, i am boiling mad, angry, and literally have thoughts of wanting to put my hands around some of the jw's who have abused so many......lol!!!!!!!

i realize this is not at all funny, but i do laugh at how i let this get to me to the point of fantazing of slapping some of the "higher than thou" jw's i have ran across in my life and those whom some of you decribed.

i read scully's story and wanted to choak the ones who did not pass her the emblems at the memorial.. i get so mad when i read how some of the jw's want to pass judgement on the one's who have committed suicide , saying they will not be resurrected.

Rabbit

Hey Dede,

Most people think I don't get mad about all the JW past, but, believe me, I do. It's just I tend to hold back, instead of 'choking 'em' for the stupid they do...I always picture beating them with a broom --- like you would shoo a biting dog away --- or put out a fire. I especially ~~get~~ got mad at my JW sisters, the way they treated me and my new wife before we got married (unscriptural divorce by a lying, goody-two shoes X wife) (un-even YOKEING, quit touching the UNCLEAN THING) !!!!!!!!

One of my JW sisters was on the phone...SCREAMING at me saying how WRONG I was to be getting married, I should just remain CELIBATE the rest of my life -- like she would do ! My sweet wife to be, that you met in Dallas -- heard every word. I could see how it hurt her...

I tried to tell my sis, how much in love and happy I was for the first time in 6 years, thru the solitude of JW enforced "rules" I was FORBIDDEN to re-marry, I lost my 3 kids to shunning...even tho I was not DA/DF.

I had LOST everything. And there she was on the phone reading scripture & WTShit to me to tell me how I KNEW I was doing wrong and could die...when the "End" was so close now... I told her I tried suicide during those lonely years...would she rather have a live, happy brother who is in love again...with someone who loves me back...? OR A DEAD BROTHER--- WHOSE HEART HAD BEEN EATEN AWAY WITH THE GRIEF OF LOSS OF ALL JW FAMILY, FRIENDS AND CHILDREN ???

She hung up on me. I was so furious I threw my Cell phone nearly thru the door...it bounced back across the room --- and hit my bride -to-be square in the cheek and her eye, too. It hurt and she started crying...I was stunned...I had never harmed a woman in my whole life...when I got to her, she had a cut, just below her beautiful blue eyes. I felt horrible, I was crying and trying to comfort her. She was crying and comforting me be cause of the cruel Christian words she'd heard spoke of us. She kept saying -- "B-but, I'm Christian, too..." "No honey...not like they are...ahm' so sorry." She took it a lot better than I did...

* * * *

None that were JW's attended our marriage, not even my children, but...the people who were there ---LOVED US !

Now after a couple of years tho', one of my oldest girls is my daughter again, she doesn't go to meetings, smokes and even has visited at our house a few times and I get to visit my grandsons. That's VICTORY 1 , My next ones maried -- won't have anything to do with the Dubs. That's Victory 2...the girls will eventually see me as a good father again -- once away from the MOM JW Cheerleader.

Do I seem bitter...lol...yep. Getting real mad tho, just blows up on me...it's not worth it. So I keep a low profile, let them know I'm here, I LOVE 'em and always will.

I can't help thinking back as a JUB for 35 yrs, and spouting off the sameo slick "wisdom" to "weak ones" in our faith. Using my best soft, persuasive voice to "get-them-back-in-the-fold". the WAY we looked and smiled at them and held out our strong hands to show them the right way -- so THEY could be "good" like us !

It makes me SO sick NOW, knowing I was doing the same and smugly believing it all, I was one of them, afterall.

Now , finally my relatives will sometimes comment on how happy we seem to be and how healthy I look...or how much they like my wife. I tell 'em it's what the truth of love can do for a lonely man.

Living happy, living well. living free, is the very best revenge. They'll see it -- they won't understand it, until their religion gets real close-up and personal with them.

Sorry for my ramblin' DEDE gurl, I am drinkin' a wee bit ... but, ya'll get my message anyway I hope. lol

Glad yer back !

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Do you let spiders live in your home?

by Elsewhere in

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i have one or two little spiders that i noticed living in my home... but i don't get rid of them hoping that they will keep the other bugs out.. does anyone else do this?.

Rabbit

BTW...are there any "poisonous" spiders in the U.K.....? names/pics ?

How about Europe...? same

the Rabbit wants to k n o w...

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Do you let spiders live in your home?

by Elsewhere in

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i have one or two little spiders that i noticed living in my home... but i don't get rid of them hoping that they will keep the other bugs out.. does anyone else do this?.

Rabbit

Well...count me as a Spider and insect lover -- to an educated point.

Unless you are hyper-sensitive to small critters bites or stings -- you probably all ready know if you are and your Doc has hopefully provided you the knowledge and antidotes you may need. If not in that very small group of unlucky people -- real fear -- like someone said, 'Is a learned thing.'

In the US the only truly "poisonous" spiders are the Brown Recluse and the Black Widow. If I find these in my house, I carefully remove them to a pasture or woods far away from me where they can help there, without being a danger to me.

As far as the others...they are only there because there is food around. I absolutely refuse to spray lethal "nerve toxins" in my house, around my family and pets and all our food, too. Don't fool yourself...you cannot have it both ways. You can't kill any bugs, without poisoning yourself, too....unless ya' whack 'em the old fashioned way.

There are other more benign ways to kill germy roaches, silverfish and ants, bad spiders etc. Use Boric Acid, Diatomacious Earth or pyrethrums. Use carefully to protect your good spiders and pets. Apply to the "bad spiders" if you must or relocate them and spray their nests and egg sacks, round dense white "cotten balls" hanging in the web, with WD40, etc. to kill eggs/larvae.

I didn't know that spiders killed other bugs! Who sez this board isn't educational. lol!
I have Daddy Longlegs in here a lot and they don't bother me, but those fat little black ones that are about the size of my thumbnail---I don't like THEM crawling around!

Yep, they eat any kind of bugs, INCLUDING OTHER SPIDERS.

The little 'fat' black one are probably just "Jumping or Hopping spiders, they really like attacking and eating flies, fleas, mosquitoes, aphids, etc. The SCARY name a WOLF spider has means nothing...they are harmless.

My favorite outside type is the "Arigope" I call them "Cornsilk or Garden Spiders" , they are about 2" - 3" across with legs, the abdomen has bright yellow and black markings on it, the cephlothorax (head & torso where the legs are) is black. They spin the most beautiful "ORB" type web...it can be 3' - 4' across. They eat the grasshoppers that eat my Herb garden.

The grasshoppers I catch have fed on my onions, basil, tarragon, tyme and sage...? I freeze them, then take off their legs (too sharp) and saute them in butter and garlic. No other spices are needed --- as they have already... "heheh" marinated themselves eating my stuff ! Ummmmmm, Delicious...

BTW, in N. America...no ORB weaver spider is poisonous, they are fun and playful --- and beautiful.

Sirona, I like what you said about a method of "de-bugging" a persons mind about the un-reasoning fear people have about "unknown" things like spiders, education is the answer... lol just like the good re-education we try to do HERE at JWD, trying to remove fear of the unknown of life -- leaving the WTS's web. lol...couldn't help it !

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I finally got a new computer,,,,I missed replying to ya'll

by LyinEyes in

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my old computer finally expired last night,,,,much to my delight.

i didn't even have to throw it out the window, it .

just refused to cooperate any longer.

Rabbit

N 's glad yer back, too...I miss 'hearing' that loosiana accent. Glad you can post again...you are one of those 'voices of reason'....Welcome back !

Rabbit & wife !

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Bastards!

by gumby in

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not one person wished me a happy 3 year jwd birthday today.

i don't think i luv you guys anymore.. gumby

Rabbit

Happy Anniversary....and many m o r e...

and ...we need more xjw's than doctors anyway

Gumfriend...

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The Bourne Supremacy

by Corvin in

mary and i have been robert ludlum fans for years and have read everything he's written.

the bourne series is one of my favs, and i forgave director dave liman for completely deviating from ludlum's original plot in the bourne identity because the film was so cool.

mary and i were excited to go and see the new bourne film, the bourne supremacy, and were a bit dissapointed.

Rabbit

I've read and loved all the Robert Ludlum books, too... years ago and always thought they would make good movies -- if someone could be found to play a good Bourne. And someone who could believably "do" what the character in the book could. I loved the first movie...I was hoping "Supremacy" would be as good or better.

We saw "Catwoman" last night and it was pretty good -- except that same ole' hand-held camera stuff. Too blurry. On a big screen especially, it's hard to follow.

We'll try it anyway tho' for whatever good points it does have.

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What do you do when you have no family?

by talesin in

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well, my mom is critically ill, i'm afraid.

she can't breathe, it's a constant battle, i don't know what to do.

Rabbit

Just checking to see how things are going with Tal's Mom...anybody hear anything....?

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Alternative Fuel Source...TOO COOL...Or is that HOT!

by Yerusalyim in

here it is folks, one solution to our gas crunch.

i support this kind of thing.

look up veggie car on the web, this is for real.. http://www.rherald.com/news/2003/0320/people/p03.htmlmcgrath?s ?veggie car?.

Rabbit

I have read about some cities testing this by converting some of their big buses with veg-oil. As far as pollution goes -- particulates and toxins like sulfer were almost nonexistant.
Smelly...? It is reported to have an oder of...french fries !

Yeru, I don't agree with a lot you post, but I'll give credit to you for this one. What you bring up here (alternatives) should be the national and world energy goal. The 'black' gold is finite !

Thanks !

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What do you do when you have no family?

by talesin in

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well, my mom is critically ill, i'm afraid.

she can't breathe, it's a constant battle, i don't know what to do.

Rabbit

Tal, I am so sorry this is happening to all of your family...this is one of those times for sure that the JW powers-that-be need to take a hike or read their bible. The part about "...for everything there is a season...a time..."? My Mom died of cancer 4 years ago, everyone was there, for her and because we all needed to be there, too. Nobody should dare stand in your way.

This is a time for peace, forgiveness and understanding, perhaps even some changes in their Christian ways.

I do hope the best for your Mom...

Love ya...