Posts by Rabbit

188

Men who lie with men.....

by cindykp in

jw
friends

1corinthians 6:9 men who lie with men will not inherit gods kingdom.

so i guess its ok for women to lie with women cause we're not mentioned in there!

lol

Rabbit

Rabbit Quote [Duplicate Copy]

Barney, I don't know what to think about some of your questions. If you really don't understand...I am glad you asked. I USED to believe like you and Truth Seeker and even Chappy ! So it's a little hard for me to get really angry at you guys. Since I had a JW background...I know where my distrust and therefore my hatred of gay people came from, I was TAUGHT from the beginning what others said was right.
Know your enemy (gay?) and know yourself (hetero?): This BEGS a question from each of you...How sure are you...that you are heterosexual? Really...convince me with actual reasons...how and why you actually KNOW that you are NOT gay?
I am going to assume you just exhaled sharply and muttered ...WTF? "This stupid rabbit is doubting MY SEXUALITY ? HOW DARE HE !" Am I right ? Or maybe a little close...?

Barney, Truth Seeker & Chappy,

In case you somehow missed my questions, which I am being very serious about...I have highlighted them in yellow above. Barney, I was raised a Christian to believe in Gawd and the Bible, you brought this up to discuss it, so, lets discuss.

I'll wait right here for each of you to answer, I truly want to learn, so teach me.

Still here... left the light on...

Rabbit

188

Men who lie with men.....

by cindykp in

jw
friends

1corinthians 6:9 men who lie with men will not inherit gods kingdom.

so i guess its ok for women to lie with women cause we're not mentioned in there!

lol

Rabbit

*sigh*

I wish I had seen this thread earlier. Or not.

So today "they" are not trying to populate the earth with their culture and their people? I don't follow you on that one... Plus it is a proven fact that homosexuality does spread disease. I know there are people here who feel that it is prejudicial to claim that homosexuality is wrong, but murder is wrong isn't it? So how can you condone one act that ends with premature death and not another? Or are you kind of saying that a form of genocide disguised as a harmless sexual act is ok?

Barney, I don't know what to think about some of your questions. If you really don't understand...I am glad you asked. I USED to believe like you and Truth Seeker and even Chappy ! So it's a little hard for me to get really angry at you guys. Since I had a JW background...I know where my distrust and therefore my hatred of gay people came from, I was TAUGHT from the beginning what others said was right.

Know your enemy (gay?) and know yourself (hetero?): This BEGS a question from each of you...How sure are you...that you are heterosexual? Really...convince me with actual reasons...how and why you actually KNOW that you are NOT gay?

I am going to assume you just exhaled sharply and muttered ...WTF? "This stupid rabbit is doubting MY SEXUALITY ? HOW DARE HE !" Am I right ? Or maybe a little close...?

Good. MY point is this...who the HELL am I to doubt what you feel about YOUR sexuality ? I have NO right. And neither do you have the right or luxury to doubt another persons sexual orientation. It would be like you telling me I don't really love 'dark chocolate', when I know I do! Or, that it is WRONG somehow to love 'dark chocolate.' I actually like threads like this for one reason...there is an exchange of ideas about something that has instilled fear in people throughout history. The biggest fears come into our hearts from ignorance, prejudice and the mysterious unknown. My hope is that you will be open-minded enough to at least consider...that you do not 'know-it-all'.

To expand a little on seven006's very pointed post: He mentioned "hermaphrodites", also called "intersexed" people. These "natural born children of God" are born with differing degrees of both male and female genitalia. What is YOUR judgment for them ? During their lifetime, should they be allowed to date ? Have sex ? Some are more pronounced as females...others more male, some 50/50. Who will YOU allow them to have sex with ? Or marry ? Males, females ? Bi-sexual males or females ? Or gay males or females ?

Remember, it is YOUR judgment and YOUR responsibility to 'save Earth' and prevent these 'natural born children of YOUR God' from "spreading their agenda & culture from spreading throughout mankind". (And since they have human feelings, like you...be nice.)

Intersexed persons are believed to result when there is either too much or not enough hormones being produced by the mothers body during gestation. Boy babies without enough testosterone will not develop as fully. Female babies may have male characteristics, if there is too much.

It is not understood why that happens. There also have been certain differences seen in brain scans between heterosexual & homosexual men. Their brain is "wired" differently. That is NOT understood either, perhaps someday it will be known to science. Meanwhile, I do not see how someone else's sexuality affects me or you...in any way shape or form. I will not be a party to discrimination anymore. I have enjoyed knowing and learning about an entire group of people, that I was previously taught to hate and revile. I once turned in a close JW friend to the Elders when I discovered his 'secret' of being born gay. He already suffered from acute depression. The WT promises to "cure gays of their sinful desires", he was dating several sisters (including mine). The "cure" did not work, just like Gretchen explained, he went thru the motions...without true feelings. After I turned my best friend in..he was promptly DF'd. Thrown out like trash ! For being true to himself...

I have not been able to find him again, dispite several searches. Suicide, because of his depression and then total loss of all his friends thru WT shunning, is a real possibility. I owe him an apology, I hope I get the chance to ask his forgiveness for my stupidity.

See what happens when you start deciding and judging what's 'best' or 'wrong' for someone else ???

I do...now.

Rabbit

55

News About Lady Lee

by Golf in

jw
friends

i finally got through to lady lee.

she's living in ottawa and is mostly confined to a wheel chair.

her feet are worse and can barely walk.

Rabbit

Lady Lee

In the year I have been here, I started noticing you right away. Whenever someone was having serious problems...you were always there for them right away. I was truly amazed and your empathy and understanding of of people. You are a very kind and able counselor.

So now that you are having problems...I know that things will come full circle...back to help you. Please let us all know how things are going.

Rabbit (of the glad to have you here with us class)

144

Tough day -- my mom died today

by cruzanheart in

jw
friends

poor thing, she's had alzheimer's for about 10 years and the last year she's been on hospice care because she's been so close to death.

the past few months she's been slowly filling up with water -- they gave her lasix (not sure of the spelling) to relieve the edema and it worked, sort of.

last weekend she actually looked a little better.

Rabbit

((((( Nina )))))

I just now saw this...I am so sorry for you and your family. I am glad her passing was dignified and peaceful.

My Mom died 4 years ago (no blood trans.) I wish it had been more peaceful.

Death is the best reminder of our mortal nature.

"Tomorrow is promised to no one..." ~ unknown author

Sincerly, Rabbit

48

Why would you want to kill the org?

by what_Truth? in

i know that there's a lot of people here who have been deeply hurt by the jehovah's witnesses (i have as well).

i also know that the gb are a bunch of lying bastards.

still i have also met a lot of people who have made their lives much better by becoming jehovah's witnesses.

Rabbit

Sunspot,

I just read your post. Sadly, that pretty well explains my experiences the last few years. The difference is...my X-wife is the lying JW war-monger whose plethora of lies to my children and others...is just now coming to the light of day.

I never even knew of the bulk of the lies, because, I was never told. But, the damage was being done.

Simple. Effective.

By a Christian Witness of Jehovah (pure as the driven snow - type)

You have my sympathy Sunny.

Rabbit

48

Why would you want to kill the org?

by what_Truth? in

i know that there's a lot of people here who have been deeply hurt by the jehovah's witnesses (i have as well).

i also know that the gb are a bunch of lying bastards.

still i have also met a lot of people who have made their lives much better by becoming jehovah's witnesses.

Rabbit

Franklin
I suppose that I have been away from the JW break for so long, that I forget how painful it is to many here. The fact is that time and good experiences in life do heal the pain.
I realize that there are many posting on this forum that have truly been hurt by the JW teachings; whole lives devoted to a belief that they must question at some point. My experiences with the JWs was bitter and emotionally devasting; however, I did not lose a loved one due to the blood issue, or anything similar. I lost a lifestyle and had to question my existence. So I built a new life and learned to fit in with the "real world". The reality of the situation for me, was that my life literally "blossomed"
But losing a loved one is far more devastating. Compared to some on this forum, my experiences were mild.

Frank,

I do respect you. I see that you've had your trials, too and are a sensitive enough person to even offer an apology. Thank you. I believe...like you do...that time and hard work at separating ourselves from the JW's will pay off richly.

The situation I have...right this minute...is very complex. My last meeting was almost 5 years ago, so, I am out. Like you, I've had my therapy. I've gone on with my life the best I can. I've remarried to a fantastic woman, who although is un-touched by the WT, she's had a lot of grief, too. I can help her with that...she helps me with my JW demons.

My situation is... I have 3 children who were taught by me & their mother...to believe the Watchtower's lies. One of my daughters, under the extreme pressure of this religion, attempted suicide, while under her mothers roof. She is depressed and because of other situations she is not really getting any help. Her mother and all the JW's around her keep letting her know how 'below the mark' she is...gotta DO more, Pray more...devote your life whole-souled, you know the drill.

I have been able for quite a while to help her with her depression, I am a better listener than her Mom. Another daughter has just been DF, I don't know if she will fold and go back to meetings or just follow her fathers example. I am being shunned, although not yet DF, for re-marrying and no-meetings. This makes it difficult to have contact with my kids.

And there is an even bigger issue going on right now, I cannot give details, but, I am still fighting the WT influence. As long as my children are associated with JW's...they are at risk.

I am very glad you have never had the experience of losing someone in death, over a stupid religion. I think I can guarantee you would not be as healed as you are.

Normally (which is not now...) I am very calm natured and easy-going...with what's going on, I cannot be calm.

Thanks for understanding,

Rabbit

48

Why would you want to kill the org?

by what_Truth? in

i know that there's a lot of people here who have been deeply hurt by the jehovah's witnesses (i have as well).

i also know that the gb are a bunch of lying bastards.

still i have also met a lot of people who have made their lives much better by becoming jehovah's witnesses.

Rabbit

Tatiana,

I am so sorry for the things the WT has brought into your life. So many of us have had these tragedies visit us 'face to face.' I know you cannot forget, nor can I. Since we have broken free of a mind-control cult...we are in the very best position to KNOW the dangers that may visit other people.

Even older people..who may be "happy" and "set in their ways" in the Truth ?. We cannot make them change, but, we OWE them honesty. True...it may be upsetting and unsettling for them to learn what the WT really does to people, but, suppose by their learning...they can plant seeds of doubt in their grandkids ? Perhaps...that may save their life someday in the future.

Someone once told me: "Most JW's will just remain faithful all their lives...until 'it' gets real personal...THAT is what wakes them up."

Very true words.

Things got very personal for me.

Hang in there Tatiana,

Rabbit

48

Why would you want to kill the org?

by what_Truth? in

i know that there's a lot of people here who have been deeply hurt by the jehovah's witnesses (i have as well).

i also know that the gb are a bunch of lying bastards.

still i have also met a lot of people who have made their lives much better by becoming jehovah's witnesses.

Rabbit

Franklin J
The JWs exist and continue like so many other middle tier fundamentalist faiths. They do not bother me. They are nothing more than a minor nusaince.

I've read a lot of good sensible posts by you. This one tho'...*sheesh*...

My MOM IS DEAD ! She DIED needlessly... her grandparents were JW's, her parents were JW's...they taught her this religion. She taught me, I taught our children and my X-wife (JW) still teaches this shitty religion to our children. IT MUST END SOMEWHERE !

My Mom's death (no blood transfusion) started BEFORE she was even born...with the controlling beliefs of a nut named Charles Russell. THEN, would have been a good time for what was to become the WTBTS ...to DIE !

Will one of my children or grandchildrens very lives end the same way ? A car accident tonight ? What about you...do you have any children or loved ones who are faithful JW's ?

What would you think of the JW religion, if one of your loved ones DIES needlessly ? Just because they have been brain-washed or pressured into believing in some old, tyrannical men in NYC that claim to be on a 'first-name-basis' with the creator ?

Or would they simply "not bother" you ? Or be.." nothing more than a minor nusaince."?

Very sincerely, Rabbit

123

Do you people have jobs?

by DavidA in

jw
friends

how do you guys find the time to chat on this board all day?

Rabbit

Psssstttt ! The 'key' word in DavidA's 1st post is ..."sales"...

(door to door...magazine sales...perhaps )

Rabbit

48

Why would you want to kill the org?

by what_Truth? in

i know that there's a lot of people here who have been deeply hurt by the jehovah's witnesses (i have as well).

i also know that the gb are a bunch of lying bastards.

still i have also met a lot of people who have made their lives much better by becoming jehovah's witnesses.

Rabbit

Tatiana,

That is the whole thing in a nutshell, isn't it ? You said a mouthful in a few very insightful words...

For ANY group of people to be filled with 'glee' at Armegeddon...which portends the horrible death of billions of humans...is so far beyond 'sick'...that I have no more words.

Thank you,

Rabbit