Posts by bradford

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From yesterday WT, don't have kids and if you do then don't see them often nor the grandkids either

by purrpurr in

unbelievable paragraph in yesterday's watchtower was "encouraging" the sheep to not have kids.

most of their growth comes from the born ins and they are still on about not having kids?.

then it went on to "encourage" those that do have kids or grandkids not to spend to much time with them and instead to spend their time serving kingdom interests!.

bradford

I think this is an extremely clever paragraph by the WT writers.

1. Witnesses will continue to have children and the writers know that. The amount of couples foregoing having children is probably not too many. I doubt it is even measurable or they have statistics to back it up. They just know that some couples have chosen to do this.

2. It is the same guilt trip they always use. One example that is very extreme (not having children) and an example that isn't very extreme (increasing activity during the memorial season).

End result: hopefully some witnesses will feel guilty enough to make some sacrifice for the good of the organization (money, time, skills).

That is ultimately what they really want.

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

bradford

I'm trying to play devil's advocate here:

If you receive blood from an unknown person, that person could die, and then the blood you received from them would need to be poured out, which would be impossible since it is mixed with your blood. Now Jehovah hates you and you can't get into paradise.

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"It's the demons..."

by pale.emperor in

one thing that really frustrates me inside is how quite a few jw's (especially my family) actually believe that demons like to inhabit second hand vases, or clothes etc.

my sister and mother are so bad with this that they wont even talk about it - because even talking about it "brings demons into your home".

so any attempt to show them that it's unscriptural is shut off with, sometimes them literally going "lalalalalalala im not listening".. i used to believe it myself (why wouldn't i?, i was told by my mother and father it was fact).. what i'd like to point out to anyone that would let me debunk it is this:.

bradford

I had a ridiculous conversation out in service once with a Ministerial Servant, 2 elders, and my wife. I brought up the topic because I had heard a group of crazy pioneer sisters talking about not doing yard sales because you never know what is linked to demons.

I asked the group what their thoughts were on it. They were all adament that you should steer clear of 2nd hand items. And these were some of the more logical witnesses I knew.

So I pull out my phone and go to the Insight book and read it to the group:

Insight Book under the topic DEMONS: http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/pc/r1/lp-e/1200271624/14/0

"Though evidently restrained from materializing, they still have great power and influence over the minds and lives of men, even having the ability to enter into and possess humans and animals, and the facts show that they also use inanimate things such as houses, fetishes, and charms.—Mt 12:43-45; Lu 8:27-33; see DEMON POSSESSION."

I then read the two reference scriptures. The reference to "houses" was talking about a person, not a literal house. There was no mention of fetishes or charms. Hence, there were no "facts" to show anything. I then asked them their opinion. Then they started with the stories that they heard.

I said "That is fine. You can choose to believe the stories but normally we just go by what the scriptures say, and I don't see anything about possessing anything other than people."

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I hope Armageddon doesn't come before we find out who Negan killed

by Zoos in

that's all i have to say.

bradford

How u know that wasanelder

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JW Tattoos

by bradford in

jw
friends

i'm sure there are countless opinions on whether you should get a tattoo or not.

my personal view is that if you were to get one it should mean something.. anyone get a tattoo to remember their jw roots?

i was thinking of getting a tetragrammaton somewhere.

bradford

So helpful

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JW Tattoos

by bradford in

jw
friends

i'm sure there are countless opinions on whether you should get a tattoo or not.

my personal view is that if you were to get one it should mean something.. anyone get a tattoo to remember their jw roots?

i was thinking of getting a tetragrammaton somewhere.

bradford

I'm sure there are countless opinions on whether you should get a tattoo or not. My personal view is that if you were to get one it should mean something.

Anyone get a tattoo to remember their JW roots? I was thinking of getting a tetragrammaton somewhere. I think it looks cool, and is symbolic of a large part of my life.

Thoughts?

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Are you people the Watchtower?

by Richard C B in

are you people 'the watchtower'?.

no - we're an independent community site offering support for both current and former jehovah's witnesses and anyone else who has been affected by the beliefs, doctrines and practices of the jehovah's witness religion as governed by the watch tower bible and tract society (wtb&ts).. we are not affiliated with the wtb&ts in any way and we take your privacy and security very seriously doing our utmost to protect your identity and provide a friendly, tolerant and informative environment where you can ask questions, share information and make new friends.

membership is completely free and anonymous so why not join toda.

bradford

Explain again why you are here?

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organization obsesion

by Richard C B in

why are you guys so obsessed with organizations?

there has to be order in the world and organised people!

bradford

Trolls be trolling.

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Toasting is Pagan - How many contradictions can fit in 2 pages, I found 5?

by jwfacts in

the watchtower 2007 feb 15 pp.30-31 explains why jehovah's witnesses are not to toast.

what is astounding is that for each point they then go on an explain why the point is irrelevant, yet still conclude toasting is wrong.

what did people think when reading this?

bradford

I like how there first two references in the encyclopedia have the word "probably" in reference to the origins of the practice. Then, after the first two references they make the connection that it IS a pagan practice. Using that logic you could say whatever you want. Pathetic reasoning. Some GB asshole didn't like the practice and wanted an article written on it pretty much.

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Premarital sex--how prevalent?

by wafflesandpancakes in

in my old congregation, everyone seems clean.

mostly chaste courtship, kingdom hall wedding, blah blah.. well there are lots of cases of fondling but they were soon forgotton.

when my husband and i confessed to sex before marriage, the elders were disgusted.

bradford

Every single couple in my circle of friends a couple years ago either were privately reproved or dfd before or after they were married except for a few that were widely know to have been messing around and just never confessed to anyone.

It was a large group of people and it includes several pioneer couples and elders kids.