Okay, let's try this again.
Andee, Hopefully they would bring the child up to be open-minded and understanding. She wanted kids and she was a lesbian, what is there to say??? I believe two loving 'mothers' is better than one loving mother or a mother and an abusive father or a father and an abusive mother or parents that don't love their kids.
I agree with you on this one except for one thing. It is still better to grow up in a loving home with a Mother and a
Father.
Plus, the argument against Dads always seems to come down to abuse. Of course it's better than living with abuse! I come from the stand point of everything else being equal. Plus, I believe that women or men that knowingly make kids with abusers ought to have their heads examined.
It's not so bad, anyway, one of the mothers could adopt a more fatherly role, I don't know...
I'm not sure what you mean here. Men are meant to be Fathers. I guess they could put on a suit and tie and act more manly. No matter what women do, they cannot be Fathers. Yet, many sure make great Moms!
SK,
And My opinion is that this is bullshit! A dick does NOT a dad make!!
I would agree with you an that also. I was referring to the special relationship that a child has with a "Dad". That cannot be duplicated by a Mom, or two Moms, no matter how hard she/they tries. I should have made that more clear in my post.
Teirce,
- I'm curious - Would you agree that women have acquired increasing rights, volition and wherewithal in the West?
Yes, I would agree with this. However, just because they can
deliberately make a child without a Dad doesn't mean they should. Anyway, my argument is for the childs best interest not for womens rights. Those are not one in the same.
Would you agree that women have to take on the masculine role of disciplinarian for awol fathers, all the time?
Yes, I would agree with that statement. However, that does not make it a good thing. Especially when it comes to teenage boys. Did you ever check the statistics of our prisons? I read somewhere that 80% of inmates in the US did not grow up with a Dad in the home. I think there is a definite connection there.
My agrument is not against the poor women that has been abandoned by thier husbands and left to raise the kids alone. I am talking about single woman, man, lesbian couple, homosexual couple, that thinks that either sex, as a parent, can be irrelevant. I strongly disagree with this. Besides, if we were talking about AWOL Mothers I think most would agree that a Father could never replace a Mother. I believe that both are equally important in the raising of a child.
The statistics are not bad for single-parent families where the volition and wherewithal conditions are met.
Not bad? OK, I will accept that. However, I would be willing to bet the statistics for a home with a Mom and Dad are even better.
How, exactly, in this day and age, are women incapable of providing the discipline necessary for the objective of raising their child as a respectful human being? (That's the most commonly cited objective.)
I think they are perfectly capable of that. I just think they are incapable of being a Dad. Ask any experienced family therapist or family court judge how important having a Dad around is.
In biology, males are genetic cross-polinators and are more disposable after the birth of young. What is it about human society that requires male paternal patronage throughout life, that is not needed in the animal kingdom? Does this indicate a belief that women are absolutely helpless without men, in this respect?
Exactly that, we are human with all the feelings and experiences that come with it. I could go into a big psuedo therapy session about how we are different from animals, but I think you know what I mean.
I certainly think it has been proved that women are not helpless without men. Being a women myself, I certainly don't hold that opinion. I just have the belief that child benefits greatly by having both a Mother and a Father raising them. Yes, A woman can do it alone. Yes, a man can do it alone. My argument is should
they do it alone? That being, making that choice. To me, that makes much difference.
Quite frankly, I think that Katie should be applauded. At least she asked the question. Most do what they want because they feel entitled. They do not take into account that this human being will grow up and have to live with the consequences of the choices made by their parent.
(And how Airwalk's situation got transmuted into her not knowing what a father is, I don't know. Airwalk never remotely indicated anything about her father.) I would just ask Andee to clarify her line of questioning.
I asked those questions for Katie to pose herself. She was the one who asked about whether or not is was fair to raise a child with two Moms and no Dad. Sometimes, when we put ourselves in the place of the kid we see things from a different perspective. Many times, parents make selfish choices that make a life for their kid that they themselves would not want to live.
Andee