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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  I have read a publication that says that the related US Supreme Court ruling is unconstitutional.
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Here is what I would do in Davis' place. I would have issued the licenses. No big deal. Here is why; I am only a clerk. I do not get to decide who should qualify. People in higher office have done that, deciding that ss marriages is the law. The qualifications for licenses are not set by me. They are set by the State. It is my job to decide if each individual that appears before me meets those qualifications set by law (not by me.) Davis claims that her signature and title on the certificate means that she is endorsing ss marriages. I strongly disagree. It only means that she certifies that the named individuals on the document meet the required qualifications And because they do, she (empowered by the State) licenses them. But actually, it is the State not her.
  I think that she does not qualify for RA. She may get it because KY is mostly anti=ss marriage. The reason I think that she does not qualify is because there is absolutely no reason, religious or otherwise FOR NOT DOING YOUR JOB! She should have been forced to resign. I would have sought to charge her with official misconduct FIRST while she was refusing to do her job.. As a public official, she must uphold and defend the Constitution. She is not doing that in my opinion. Giving her a reasonable accommodation is an outrage in my opinion. I feel sorry for her loosing her job. That is not what I want and I do not want her to go to jail but from an emotionally sterile position based on what she has done, she should be forced to resign. She does not qualify for that position anymore. If I were King , Kim Davis would not be working (based on the facts that I know about this case.)
  
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  I was wondering why Davis wasn't released when her deputies began to issue the licenses. Evidently, despite her refusing to authorize them, her deputies get their authority from the State and not from Davis. They could not force her to endorse gay marriages.

  http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/08/politics/kim-davis-same-sex-marriage-kentucky/

  Seems like Davis got her Reasonable Accomodation after all ins-spite of how much Vivian knows about how the US government is run and me being wrong 100 percent of the time.
  
  
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  She is breaking the law, by refusing to issue license to two people after court told her to do so.

  Oh, so you have read my posts. And you can think.

  I enjoyed your post that I responded to. Would enjoy very much to continue our discussion tomorrow without you insulting me. I have not done that to you on this thread.. See you tomorrow. No Holiday for you today I see.
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  On the other hand, Davis is elected official and it is her duty to uphold constitution

  elected officials, cops, lawyers, and others take a similar oath.-She has not been charged with violating that oath and she has not been found guilty of that.-Has she?

  What laws are gay people breaking?

  Prior to Lawrence vs Texas, gay conduct was a crime, no?

  How is the rest of what I say red Herring?

  Based on your premise that Davis should be put in jail for breaking the law because you say that is where she belongs as if it was up to you to decide how to deal with her, do you also believe that gay believers should have been put in jail for breaking the law, and how about now, gay believers facing death and jail for their beliefs, Is that what you think? Or only for Davis because that is what you like?
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  She is breaking the law

  What is the difference between her breaking the law and gays breaking the law finally being rewarded and illegal allens breaking the law and finally being rewarded. Are they not all breaking the law?
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  To those who think Kim Davis should be allowed to not issue marriage licences

  Lisa there are people out there who want to use devices to stop gays from getting married. JW would never do that. And I would never do that and neither do I secretly rejoice over it.

  Davis is stuck in her position because the gay law was passed while she was in office. She does not want to loose her job. Would anyone? And she claims that she cannot violate her conscience. She is stuck.

  They want to get the AG to prosecute her for misfeasance, he cannot...... She is being sued by the ACLU....She is in jail for contempt...... So much power given to a clerk. Wasting tax money and time.. Just replace her. they can't. Religion has no business in government. How dare you run for public office and then use religion as an excuse.. If not for this thread, I would not even have noticed.
  

  I was surprised (shocked) to see the post showing how many countries legalized ss marriages,but after realizing that, then what is the big deal here in the USA?

  I think that Simon is right, this is just a transition period. That is just my guess.

  But specifically in Davis case. Very easy solution: The boot. Let her sue. But that is not the way KY gov is set up. It is a flaw in the system. They have to fix the system. The system has deeper pockets than Davis and it is the system that is to blame.

  But also who knows what could spark another civil war or chaos in the streets all over the USA
  
  
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

  1. social
  2. current

  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  By the way, she has not been charged with official misconduct. -Yet
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

  1. social
  2. current

  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  No,

  Right

  reality and facts do that.

  Saying that facts and reality invalidated my posts do not invalidate my posts either
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

  1. social
  2. current

  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Vivian, your remarks about me and about my posts do not invalidate what I have said in my posts.