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  No more REPORTING field service!!!!!!!!!

  by BoogerMan in

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  this is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!

  reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.

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  tested as to fitness first” is done…

  Pioneers are still required to report so now the test to fitness is being a reporting pioneer —it appears.
  
  
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  Real reasons behind this change?

  by Gorb in

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  just a good conversation at home about the hour report change.. we think the change was not impmemented because the gb are such a lovely bunch of old grandpa's having the best in mind for us individuals.. there will be only, and we say only, an organizational reason for it.

  a legal reason, to protect jw.org and it's officials and wealth.. next step?

  maybe selling more kh and when jw hollywood studio's in rampoo are ready a change to tv subscription.. what do you think?

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  The given reason is that a person’s gift of service to God is private between God and the person—now. The argument against the given reasoning is the real reason is that: All of a sudden this realization and change after a century or so or reporting time?
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  Encouraging scriptures for the day

  by Kosonen in

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  hello my friends,.

  here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

  revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

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  Psalms 94:23 — And he will turn back upon them their hurtfulness And will silence them with their own calamity. Jehovah our God will silence them.

  “And you will tread the wicked underfoot, for they will be like dust under the soles of your feet on the day when I take action” — Mal 4:3 ( Sounds like an allusion to Gen 3 serpent too )
  
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  1961 1962 higher authorities

  by Marcial in

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  are there among you, dear friends, a specialist in american associations from around the 1950s -1970s and a little more?

  to find out from what years in the usa the first subsidies were granted to religious congregations and other non-profit or charitable associations?

  why this question is that i just thought that there is perhaps a link between doctrinal clarifications over the years and government innovations to support or subsidize these supposedly charitable religious organizations or certain qualified ngos?

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  God is always the superior authority. The Bible being the double edge sword that it is also refers to Caesar as the superior authority except when it violates God’s law. In that case God is superior authority.
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  WHAT HAPPENED WHEN GOD TRANSFERRED JESUS LIFE TO MARY PER WTS

  by blondie in

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  pardon all caps on original post title.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/176336/blondies-comments-you-will-hear-05-31-09-wt-study-praise-forever.

  comments you will not hear at the 05-31-09 wt study (march 15, 2009, pages 24-28)(righteous forever).

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  wouldn't Mary have been guilty of a) fornication since the "sperm" was not Joseph's or b) adultery (since she was engaged)?

  According to the Bible, Mary became pregnant by the HOLY Spirit. Also, there was no sexual relations involved with organs.

  Boggles the mind God’s greatness who could have easily selected any single female but God chose Mary and didn’t intervene by not having her get engaged to Joseph.

  Also, a single pregnant by the Holy Spirit woman would be ostracized besides nobody would marry her in that malelish society back then. And, Jesus needed a step for obvious reasons. One reason is for the “legal right” to the throne of David.—Isn’t God magnificent?
  
  
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  Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.

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  The scriptures show that they do not have God's backing.

  Subjective and legally immaterial.
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  Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.

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  God's Law is the highest Law and God's Court is the highest Court.

  Irrelevant in a Court of law and under this topic. You went off on a tangent. You deflect from the discussion here which is not a Biblical topic but only legal.
  
  
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  Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.

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  remember that Bible lesson about how King Solomon could tell who was the real mom?

  The subject matter of the Court is law not the Bible.
  
  
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  Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.

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  EP

  If the WTBT$ wasn't guilty of complicity, then why were they trying to avoid discovery as regards the relationship between the Watch Tower of New York and the Watch Tower of Pennsylvania or the way the organization worked in prior years? What were they trying to hide? What were they afraid of revealing?

  Like saying someone is guilty of something when they invoke the Fifth and should therefore surrender their rights or when someone refuses a search inside their house or their car without a warrant if they have nothing to hide. That is your logic. Or when a leo not acting in her official capacity abuses family members, why isn’t the agency and the municipality liable?

  Also, in the Penkava case referenced above, the accused was a family member —if I am not mistaken. In that case, the Elders were convicted of not reporting ca when according to what I read on the internet they reported it to the wt lawyers, so to say they covered the abuse is a misrepresentation making it seem they kept it secret. They didn’t. They reported it to WT. Also, WT argues time and time again that sadly privileged communications are protected under Federal law inspite of State compulsory reporting mandates so WT argues they have legal reasons for not disclosing privileged communication. Not to be misrepresented by the term cover up which implies no legal basis and that wt has something to gain. Also when a penitent confesses privileged information to a minister is a minister covering up a crime or a sin if he doesn’t turn the person in? Even if the crime is required by law to be reported is he covering up the crime by not turning the person in if he has nothing to gain? Covering up describes hiding shameful conduct or wrongful conduct that affects the person doing the cover up like when police cover up police misconduct to protect the pd from liability. But how is wt benefiting by not turning in someone accused of abusing his own family like in the referenced Illinois case. Calling it a coverup is disingenuous seems to me.

  ( Personal feelings aside.)
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  Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.

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  EP

  Thanks for the links EP appreciate these sources.

  I’ve noticed that on the Montana cases you linked, the Defendants were relatives. Really horrible and disturbing stuff to read. Unimaginable abuse, assuming it is true. Because WT has deep pockets and the victims can collect from them. Minus WT in the equation, the relatives would still have abused their innocent kids.

  Courts don’t adjudicate feelings or morality or good and bad such as when “doctors” with the permission of the mother have gruesomely un-alived legally as a child is being born but partially inside the mother for example. I’ve seen medical books on this that haunts me till this day. How about liability of government agencies having knowledge that children are being harmed or were harmed in the past with drug and tobacco use in the home or an environment that damages the welfare of a child such as corrupting conduct of the parents or too something physical like lead paint in gov owned housing for example . Shouldn’t there also be a tolling of the statute of limitations to hold liable people responsible for protecting children?

  The legal issue involving wt in all objectivity is wt liability in any failure to protect children when legally required to do so. Seems to me.