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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Huckabee is just saying a bunch of things to get elected, but if he is (slim chance,) he will not un-ring the bell that made ss mariages legal.
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Thanks for the interesting Post VI !
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  A scene from the movie Cool Hand Luke just came to my mind. In this scene, Paul Newman was getting undressed to be put in the "box" by one of the officers. The officer was a very Christianly fellow that had always talked to "Luke" about God.. So he tells Luke: "Just doing my job Luke." Paul Newman replied to the officer saying: "Ahhh, saying it's your job don't make it right."
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  I saw quite a quite few Huckabee for President bumper stickers today. I looked to see who the drivers were. They were religious jews dressed in their garb.
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  I do not know how much National publicity this case is getting but there is an election for US President brewing. and the publicity for this case will have an effect on votes, so does how this case is handled and also its outcome or disposition.
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  For instance, "So Kim Davis, can you should me exactly WHERE your religion forbids you to issue marriage licenses or otherwise serve any SS couple?

  And ask the Muslim where does it say it in the Koran and then have the reporter tell her that that she is wrong. She would tell the reporter: "God Bless America because we can both have different interpretations, BUT HEY,DON"T TELL ME HOW TO PRACTICE MY RELIGION, now go to hell. The Courts have no authority to interpret the Bible or dictate to people how to practice their religion either. And whether the fiat comes from Rome or not, (in JW case regarding serving on Jury duty or joining the army, there is no edict) people still have the right to be conscientious objectors. What I find interesting about this case is that it involved an elected official not an employee.

  What matters is when the Courts decide that it is the law that the employee MUST serve the alcohol regardless of what they believe., they have not, or, in KD case, that it is the duty of an elected official to issue ss in-spite of her beliefs. That is what my eyes are peeled for. I have not seen that is the law. A lot of people have a lot of different opinions about that, but they are only views.

  There are other pending legal actions filed against her, discrimination if I am not mistaken, among other lawsuits. IT is very interesting that the State DOES want to file OM charges against her. They wanted to appoint a special prosecutor, they referred the charge to the Attorney General, who says that he cannot charge her because the case is being handled by Federal Court ... All that stuff is still pending. We have to wait and see. But even if they prosecuted her, that is not enough, she would still have to be found guilty of OM.
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  It has been published that other KY clerks from other counties had also refused to endorse SS licenses concurrently with Kim Davis without being charged with any violation of law. And continue to do so( as far as I know) because no lawsuits have been filed against those clerks. In other words, legal proceedings were started against KD by the ss-- not by the State, and, had those lawsuits not been filed, KD would not have gone to jail.

  In other words, KD was doing nothing wrong until she violated the Court Order mandating her to issue ss licenses. It was not wrong for her not to issue licenses based on her reasons. That is not why she went to jail. But it was wrong for her to violate the Court Order. And that is why she went to jail, because she violated the Court Order.

  The Court was satisfied THAT HER CLERKS are issuing ss licenses. If it was wrong FOR HER not to issue ss licenses, It would still be wrong even if the clerks are issuing ss licenses. EVIDENTLY, it does not violate the law for her not to issue ss licenses because she was released from jail refusing to issue them. Again, if she violated the law to begin with by personally refusing to issue ss licenses based on religious reasons, the Court would have personally ordered to do so.

  Just because I say or anyone else on this thread says it that KD has done something wrong by refusing to issue ss licenses does not determined that not issuing ss licenses for her reasons violates the law, or her oath of office. WE do not have the authority to make that determination-But should that stop us from believing it? As far as I know, the Courts have not decided that KD has violated the law by not issuing ss licenses for religious reasons.

  The reason KD went to jail is for not complying with a Court Order ordering her to issue ss licenses BUT NOT BECAUSE NOT ISSUING SS LICENSES FOR RELIGIOUS REASONS VIOLATES THE LAW.
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  .........But that does not mean that I endorse gay conduct, but I love my friends.
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Fisherman, its an illustration. Its like a Muslim working for a barbecue place and refusing to serve me pork

  I agreed It was a great illustration. That sums up what this issue is all about. That is the issue and not anyone's views on ss. What I meant to say is what in the world does refusing to issue ss licenses or serving pork or spaghetti have anything to do with how ss is viewed. She can have anti-gay views but it is her job to serve the spagheti, the pork, and issue the ss license. In other words this issue is all about not wanting to serve pork or spaghetti. That is it. That is what I meant. It is not about gay views. When I said the spaghetti was paid for, I meant that the gays were entitled to the licenses.

  Saying that I have no dog in this fight means that how this case turns out does not make any difference to me. I am not gay and I and neither do I wish to stop gays from marrying and neither am I a a supporter or believer of the right wing fundamentalist. I am not an advocate of either side. Both sides have the right to their belief in the USA.

  I do not have any friends that are fundamentalists, whoever they are. I do not care. I have friends that are gay both men and women, celibate JW and non JW. They feel at ease with me and I feel at ease with them.
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

  1. social
  2. current

  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  why don't you just say what you really mean...
  ...that you're an ultra-conservative right-wing Christian who wants the LGBT community to go "back in the closet where they belong"?

  Again,having no dog in this fight, can you explain to me what my views on homosexuality have anything to do with serving spaghetti to someone that paid for it. Nevertheless, in the USA, those people that you are referring to have as much right to believe what they like just as much as the gays. If you do not like that, too bad for you.