Posts by Fisherman

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Court denies summary judgement for Laurel Jehovah's Witnesses congregation

by OrphanCrow in

court denies summary judgement for laurel jehovah's witnesses congregation.

a motion for summary judgement is denied in a case against the laurel congregation of jehovah's witnesses and some individuals over child abuse reporting issues.a lawyer for the congregation maintained that elders were exempted from reporting requirements under a state law because of clergy privilege and confidentiality.the case resulted from allegations that elders did not report an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were members of the jehovah's witnesses congregation.. download the court opinion here.

http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/download.aspx?id=235880.

Fisherman

Thank you OC for this great post!

JW clergy are acting within the law when they do not report child abusers to the police in a Minister Penitent relationship -as lawyers too also enjoy this immunity with their clients. In this particular case, the Court decided that the law only applies specifically in a Minister Penitent setting as the Court defined what that setting means and in the related case the Court felt that it did not meet such specific conditions. Hey, lets force the lawyers to turn in their clients and lets have the Police invade anyone's house they suspect is a molester. Forget about privacy and the US Constitution and force everyone that suspects of anyone being a molester go to the Police or else -or better yet, get rid of the JW.

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The Bread Illustration (Feb 16 Broadcast) - Massive Contradiction

by fizzle in

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friends

so... bro flodin puts poison onto the first loaf of bread and says that this pictures someone "sinning against the holy spirit".

he then puts the bread into the trash can stating that jehovah completely discards anyone "sinning against the holy spirit"... meaning they cannot ever be forgiven...he says that the pharisees "sinned against the holy spirit" because they denied indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit displayed by jesus... therefore jehovah would completely discard them... no way back for them.. fast forward a little... we have the bible character stephen...acts 6:8 says: now stephen, full of divine favor and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.so stephen was showing indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit.now we come to the bible character paul (saul)... he was a pharisee.paul would have seen stephen in action... witnessing the indisputable evidence of the operation of jehovah's holy spirit first hand!yet paul not only waged war against all christians but he personally approved the killing (stoning) of stephen.according to the bread illustration paul should have been discarded by jehovah at this point for "sinning against the holy spirit"... he would have been put in the trash can... no way back at all...but what happened according to the bible?

jesus appeared to him on the road to damascus... he became one of the most zealous apostles in bible history with jehovah's full support!so what on earth is the bread illustration all about?

Fisherman

According to the Bread illustration Paul should have been discarded by Jehovah at this point for "sinning against the holy spirit

Not according to God who is the judge. Paul was spiritually blind when he persecuted Christians. That was not the case with the Pharisees that Jesus referred to as sinning without forgiveness who spoke evil against the Holy Spirit after seeing it work.

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It's Too Late to Return to Jehovah!

by naazira in

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friends

yes friends it is too late for most of you to return to jehovah's org.

based on the new garlic bread parable in this month's broadcast with the illustration using loaves of bread.

it is obvious that the doors of the arc has been closed shut by jehovah's hand for some of us.. according to the new parable that can be found on jw tv.

Fisherman

(It just dawned on me how old brett looks in the video.) In all fairness though, the video is not actually about it being too late to return to Jehovah.

The garbage in the video alludes to Gehenah and WT says that only JHV sees the heart not the WT and it is he that can put someone there not the WT, but the garbage (gehena) is a warning because the danger to be thrown there exists -at least that is what Jesus says in the NT not the WT-and the NT gives specific examples of such sin.The sin is rejecting evidence from God, his Holy Spirit which was evident as Jesus showed, namely the maliciousness of the Pharisees, etc.The exact same evidence exists today. Anyone who fights against God's Holy Spirit, solid proof from God must answer to God, face Gehena. That is what the video is about. I may add that Jehovah is a God that is very peculiar about vengeance, particularly towards those who make trouble for his friends. The Bible records how Jehovah curses and plagues and becomes at war with and even exterminates any entity that threatens or causes any harm whatsoever to his friends. That is from the Bible not from the WT,

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What is more important life or justice?

by Fisherman in

the outrage of injustice cries out for justice, vengeance, vindictiveness, retaliation, getting even -at any cost -even life.

Fisherman

A law degree.

'The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers'. ... Shakespeare

I would hate to be a lawyer or a judge if "all hell breaks loose" in any country.

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What is more important life or justice?

by Fisherman in

the outrage of injustice cries out for justice, vengeance, vindictiveness, retaliation, getting even -at any cost -even life.

Fisherman

Seems to be the reason behind executions, murder, war, why God permits wickedness, Isis, etc..

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What is more important life or justice?

by Fisherman in

the outrage of injustice cries out for justice, vengeance, vindictiveness, retaliation, getting even -at any cost -even life.

Fisherman

The outrage of injustice cries out for justice, vengeance, vindictiveness, retaliation, getting even -at any cost -even life.

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A philosophical question .... what does the word God mean to you personally ?

by Finkelstein in

to myself it means to seek knowledge and understanding of are selves and the world in which we live.. unfortunately history has shown whenever one tries to connect to god and of his knowledge through men who say they themselves are connected to god through spiritual wifi ie.

gb members of the jehovah's witnesses for example, one usually ends up finding a accumulation of only man's acquired knowledge.

over thousands of years of trying to connect to a god(s) for help and answers, mankind has eventually relinquished himself to seeking answers through scientific investigative acquired knowledge of the world in which we live in.

Fisherman

I'm sorry, you have totally contradicted yourself.

'Without evidence you just cannot know can you?' I did not say the evidence does not exist.

Not too long ago it became known that an innocent man went to jail for 25 years or so. There existed evidence at the time of his conviction to exonerate him only that they refused to look at it because they were convinced that the man was guilty. When they finally decided to measure the evidence 25 years later, they saw his innocence. -Not to say that the disgraced ones that suppressed the evidence continued to advocate guilt inspite of the facts. The evidence existed had they wanted to look.

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A philosophical question .... what does the word God mean to you personally ?

by Finkelstein in

to myself it means to seek knowledge and understanding of are selves and the world in which we live.. unfortunately history has shown whenever one tries to connect to god and of his knowledge through men who say they themselves are connected to god through spiritual wifi ie.

gb members of the jehovah's witnesses for example, one usually ends up finding a accumulation of only man's acquired knowledge.

over thousands of years of trying to connect to a god(s) for help and answers, mankind has eventually relinquished himself to seeking answers through scientific investigative acquired knowledge of the world in which we live in.

Fisherman

No, you cannot know,

You can.

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A philosophical question .... what does the word God mean to you personally ?

by Finkelstein in

to myself it means to seek knowledge and understanding of are selves and the world in which we live.. unfortunately history has shown whenever one tries to connect to god and of his knowledge through men who say they themselves are connected to god through spiritual wifi ie.

gb members of the jehovah's witnesses for example, one usually ends up finding a accumulation of only man's acquired knowledge.

over thousands of years of trying to connect to a god(s) for help and answers, mankind has eventually relinquished himself to seeking answers through scientific investigative acquired knowledge of the world in which we live in.

Fisherman

I think you'll find billions of people are hanging onto an illusion....

Without evidence you just cannot know can you? And believing that reality is an an ilusiion does not make it so because you have not measured the evidence.

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A philosophical question .... what does the word God mean to you personally ?

by Finkelstein in

to myself it means to seek knowledge and understanding of are selves and the world in which we live.. unfortunately history has shown whenever one tries to connect to god and of his knowledge through men who say they themselves are connected to god through spiritual wifi ie.

gb members of the jehovah's witnesses for example, one usually ends up finding a accumulation of only man's acquired knowledge.

over thousands of years of trying to connect to a god(s) for help and answers, mankind has eventually relinquished himself to seeking answers through scientific investigative acquired knowledge of the world in which we live in.

Fisherman

I think it's just something/someone to hang all are hopes, fears, and desires on.

One cannot hang on to an illusion. When uncertainty comes.. one lets go. -But not if it is solid.