Posts by Fisherman

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Does anyone think Jehovah is protecting the org. despite all the talk about THE ARC ?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i've been thinking this for a while.

even before the arc scandal.

it seems no matter what, the org.

Fisherman

you speak of child abuse a sin? That's funny so does the wts.

It is not funny. Most sins are crimes. Can't you see that dummy? Killing stealing adultery lying , etc. The government knows this. Cant you think! The government also knows and wants and understands that people need and should be allowed to get spiritual help and because government has also deemed that is a human right, like privacy, and the right for confidentiality between lawyer and client are human rights and that is just one reason WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! government allows religion to EXIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and that is why government also allows confidential communication between church and "penitent" (or "alleged" criminal -a person must be found guilty in the US before he is deemed a criminal) so they can get the spiritual help which is a human right. When government mandates the reporting of crimes or sins by the church to the police it means (if you can think just a little bit -but try) that government does not allow the church to exist because the church is all about sin and repentance (spiritual help) and you cannot have that if the church fears the police or the sinner fears the church will turn him in. What does that mean then: 1 The church must break the law or 2 the government must destroy the church. If God exists as he claims he does in the Bible, He must protect " the church" (and I don't'mean BTG), if he does not -as we say here in the US -goodbye Charlie.

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Does anyone think Jehovah is protecting the org. despite all the talk about THE ARC ?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i've been thinking this for a while.

even before the arc scandal.

it seems no matter what, the org.

Fisherman

Candice Conti case

Plaintiffs failed in legally forcing the WT to change anything. All they wanted was money and that is what they settled for - money.

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Does anyone think Jehovah is protecting the org. despite all the talk about THE ARC ?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i've been thinking this for a while.

even before the arc scandal.

it seems no matter what, the org.

Fisherman

Rather than address a defect in the JW's

Einstein, how many times should the WT proclaim that they do not turn in sinners to the police? This is not a new church doctrine (100 years! Can't you read doctor or is your degree honorary only?) and it is not a new issue with the Courts in the US (100 years). In spite of all of the attempts to force the Courts to force the WT to report sinners to the police in the US, It is business as usual -they ain't doing it although you like it and think that it is a defect.

It ain't a defect to do what they continue do because the US Courts have not determined that, prodigy or forced the WT to change their doctrine to report sinners or criminals or penitent or whatever you like to fix -to the police. They ain't doing it in the US and nobody has been able to LEGALLY force them to do it. Got it genius? On the other hand the WT does obey the law. When the law mandates, the WT complies with the law. That is what they teach and that is what they practice.

The Catholic church also asserts the same rights under the law. They ain't reporting sinners to the police either. (They are part of Babylon the Great, and the UN charged the Vatican with protecting their (alleged) pedophile ministers but that is another matter, but a church that is made up of (alleged) child abusers -which is the real UN issue with the RCC- is different than when the a sinner parishioner goes to the RCC church for help.)

No one condemned Babylon the Great for exercising church penitent confidentiality. It ain't about that and you know it, Aristotle. The outrage that was being expressed about the RCC was that their ministers were the ones being accused of engaging in child abuse without being censured by the church -NOT THE PARISHIONERS confessing sins. Stop lying.

( True JW believe that RCC is part of Babylon the Great and they will incur God's wrath ,) but my link shows the RCC asserting their rights of confidentiality in-spite of challenge SAME AS JW continue to do so. Stop lying about my intention of posting the link.

The RCC proclaims in my link that no one is stopping victims or their families to go to Caesar directly -but THEY AIN'T DOING IT!

AS far as I know, the RC is still investigating allegations against the WT and the investigation is still ongoing without you helping the RC beforehand to reach their determination or rule or whatever it is that they do after they consider all of the facts and come to a decision. But I trust very much in the integrity of the RC and I am confident that they will do what is just and proper in-spite of what vitriolics like you want.

The WT is afforded the right in Australia to defend themselves legally and that is what they are doing and you may not like what WT lawyers advise WT to do -but as Marvin Shilmer would say:"TOO BAD!" They haven't gone to jail for defending themselves and if you do not like how WT is defend themselves, again, too bad for you and for anyone that does not like it.

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Does anyone think Jehovah is protecting the org. despite all the talk about THE ARC ?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i've been thinking this for a while.

even before the arc scandal.

it seems no matter what, the org.

Fisherman

let's fix that for you:

http://time.com/4216974/vatican-guidelines-sex-abuse-bishops-training/

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When is a theory 'just a theory'?

by HB in

the titles of cofty's excellent recent posts are all preceeded by the words "evolution is a fact...".

richard dawkins is encouraging people to use the term 'fact' in relation to evolution, especially when debating with creationists as the word 'theory' is confusing to many, and the latter often takes the discussion off on an often unproductive tangent.

the following may be of interest, it's from the bbc website - part of a regular series of articles called 'the vocabularist', discussing the origin and meaning of words: .

Fisherman

Andy, I already posted what you requested. Ro 1:20.

The evidence comes from God not from me. What good to you is anything that I claim to have witnessed? Or anything the Bible says that others have witnessed? Why should you believe me more than the Bible?

Anyway, God says in the Bible: "And they will have to know that I am Jehovah." If a creator really exists he will prove it. If he does not, means that there is no creator right?

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Does anyone think Jehovah is protecting the org. despite all the talk about THE ARC ?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i've been thinking this for a while.

even before the arc scandal.

it seems no matter what, the org.

Fisherman

And that remains a fact to this day.

Smid I do not know what the laws are in the UK but WT policy is same all over the world now for close 100 years. Can't recall when WT turned some sinner to the bobbies. Surprised the UK just recently became aware. But don't you worry none. I am sure justice will be done. Watch and see how everything plays out. RC will get to the bottom of this.

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Does anyone think Jehovah is protecting the org. despite all the talk about THE ARC ?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i've been thinking this for a while.

even before the arc scandal.

it seems no matter what, the org.

Fisherman

but you are a WT enemy, your posting on apostate sites and that is against their rules.

Horse feathers. What are you afraid of? And what business is that of yours if I choose to post on this site.

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Does anyone think Jehovah is protecting the org. despite all the talk about THE ARC ?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i've been thinking this for a while.

even before the arc scandal.

it seems no matter what, the org.

Fisherman

You are truly a disgusting individual.

Because I posted that I trust that the RC is interested in justice and because you hate the WT? And because it is the business of the RC and the business of God to do justice and not yours? What's the matter with you! Are you sick?

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When is a theory 'just a theory'?

by HB in

the titles of cofty's excellent recent posts are all preceeded by the words "evolution is a fact...".

richard dawkins is encouraging people to use the term 'fact' in relation to evolution, especially when debating with creationists as the word 'theory' is confusing to many, and the latter often takes the discussion off on an often unproductive tangent.

the following may be of interest, it's from the bbc website - part of a regular series of articles called 'the vocabularist', discussing the origin and meaning of words: .

Fisherman

divine creation?

You are not looking.

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Does anyone think Jehovah is protecting the org. despite all the talk about THE ARC ?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i've been thinking this for a while.

even before the arc scandal.

it seems no matter what, the org.

Fisherman

the human side to back out of reporting responsibility.

WT must obey the law but they have always proclaimed that they must obey God as ruler rather than men. That is something that they have died for. And they mean business. Caesar will deal with the WT -not you buddy, no matter how much you hate them. That is what the judicial fact finding process is all about. The Courts there in Australia are dealing with the WT and it don't seem to me that they have any interest in injustice. RC means business too. Let them handle it chief. -And re-read my posts.

This is not the first time that the WT has been under legal attack. Read about it.