less than an hour old:.
https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
continue to defend the abusers
What abusers have I continued to defend ?
Your immorality wreaks on these pages
What immorality do you accuse me of?
Fisherman the despicable disgusting JW apologist
How do my posts on this thread that explain how church confidentiality is a right rooted in the first amendment enjoyed by all religions not just JW make me a despicable and disgusting JW apologist?
less than an hour old:.
https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
there is an ethical responsibility not to withhold information that could help "Caesar' prevent further crimes.
Wrong!!! take a course on ethics."You are not reading" (to quote Marvin Shilmer.)
It is not your business or the business of Caesar to impose morality upon the church.
Read this again: Pedos enjoy 1st Amendment rights and so does the church. If you do not like it, do not be angry at the 69 year old man who is marrying a young boy under the age of 16. Be angry with the SC and the constitution. Do not bomb abortion clinics either because you do not believe that abortion is ethical; it is the law.
less than an hour old:.
https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
DD
I enjoy your style of expression. You are able to make me laugh. I do not mean that i mock what you say. You say things in very direct and funny and enjoyable form. I mean no disrespect to you. I do understand your points even though I do not agree and we do see eye to eye on a few things. I am able to disagree with you without making fun of your position. I also try to give reasons for my views and let people form their own opinions.
less than an hour old:.
https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
Watchtower Protects JW Pedophiles.. outlaw
No, The US constitution protects the speech and comunication of alleged pedos: 1. in a lawyer client setting 2. church /sinner setting.
Outlaw, every "dispicable" human being has rights under us law (even pedos!). One of those rights is that Pedos can get spiritual help from the church without fear of being turned in to the authorities. The church is not doing something shocking. It is a legal provision.
less than an hour old:.
https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
When you are talking child rape and molestation of any kind, I will dictate to anyone I please, thank-you-very-much. : )
Are you dictating the morality that a boy 16 or younger should not get married to a 69 year old man( It is legal )? Do you want to use legal means to force your morality upon others.
Child rape and molestation are a criminal charges that only a prosecutor can charge a person with. A victim or a witness do not have authority to determine what crime if any was committed, they can however accuse (or report even hearsay) someone of doing something for example, rape or molestation. Until the crime is proven, the accused is innocent and referred to as defendant not as criminal. My previous post explains that the 1st provides confidentiality to the church.The constitution also provides that teenage boys under the and of 16 can marry 60 year old men.
It does not make sense to be angry at the church from benefiting from the constitution. You can be angry with the 1st amndment. Tales, I posted more on this on BA's post on Bundy.
Tales I read your other posts, you are a very sweet person and I appreciate your feelings on this issue.
less than an hour old:.
https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
less than an hour old:.
https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
Note: I meant to add that I see your point about how someone despicable as a child abuser who is repentant is entitled to spiritual confidentiality.
The 1st Amendment does not depend on whether the sinner is, or claims to be, or is judged to be, repentant. It provides confidentiality regardless (You better repent or we will report you to the police). And whether or not it turns out that he is repentant or not (which is not the business of the gov to adjudicate sins) he is still entitled to confidentiality under the 1st and so is the church.
less than an hour old:.
https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
As usual, Fisherman doesn't understand what is going on, but I don't feel like starting a 50 page debate where everyone, except Fisherman, understands what the WTBTS is actually up to.
As usual DD does not understand what is going on. All he is able to do is make remarks about my post. (Oh that is so stupid, he does not understand, etc.) but he is not able to invalidate what I say.
less than an hour old:.
https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
But let's say hypothetically a young teenage girl discloses to the elders that a well respected brother in the hall has raped her lets say several months earlier. She asks them not to tell anyone...to keep it confidential. Yet clearly, they can tell she is telling the truth.
Church ministers do not have the authority to adjudicate crimes. That is the subject matter of a Court of law having competent jurisdiction. Rape is a crime and if a person is found guilty of rape, he is guilty of criminal conduct, but in the US, a person is only guilty of a crime after a conviction and church ministers do not have the authority to determine guilt or innocence of a crime - but they can convict someone of sin
What should the elders do?
They should obey Caesar but by the same token the church enjoys confidentiality.
That is why an effective safeguarding policy needs to be implemented by Watchtower
Safe according to who's liking?
Physical protection of children is not the legal duty of the church but of the secular authorities. Government regulating church based activities is unconstitutional (but that is not for me to decide) and each case relating to church liability can be decided by the Court on a case by case basis. In the US, access to the Court system is easy as pie and lawyers will fight tooth and nail just to represent someone on contingency just as money is involved as it mostly always is when suing the church.
The 2 witness rule works for many types of sins. Circumstantial evidence and other forms of evidence is required in many cases where child abuse has taken place.
The role of the church is not to prosecute crimes. Church confidentiality is rooted in the 1s amendment. Governing how the church handles sinners establishes religion which violates a principle of the 1st Amendment which separates church and state.
I watch my kids. It is the responsibility of parents to protect their children and not to delegate that to the WT, elders or fellow congregants and to blame them when parents fail to do so. If you failed to protect your child in the first place resulting in him being harmed by another person or if you suspect a child is being harmed, why don't you go to the authorities and report it? -and also go to your minister for spiritual help. YoU should not trust anyone with your kids.
The church exist under us constitutional provisions. It does not exist to help prosecute crimes or to provide physical protection for children. That is the duty of Caesar.
less than an hour old:.
https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
I wonder if Mr. Bundy is aware that even if a JW is repentant, they can still be DF'd? If something is well known, a dub can still get DF'd even though they say they are sorry. For instance, if an Eldub's wife takes some meds with alcohol at a social function and falls down or throws up, she can be DF'd.
So what!! Why should WT religion not be allowed to practice their religion their way on the basis that you do not like it or do not see it their way?
in the us, jw are not failing to report child abuse when they are accused of not reporting child abuse on the basis that church confidentiality privilege is rooted in the first amendment, so when JW are accused of not reporting (or failing to report it) as many state laws mandate it, WT has a legal basis under certain conditions -church confidentiality rooted in the 1st amendment.
Worldwide, it is a human right that "despicable" child abusers should be able to get confidential spiritual help same as they can get legal help. But international Courts will will decide if WT has done something wrong or illegal not me.
As far as whether it is wrong for WT to have child offender databases or adulterer databases, or homosexual databases, (or of tax cheats, killers, thieves, etc) you can believe that it is wrong if you like, but if you do not like it, it is not your business to dictate morality to the WT.
Whether or not it is legal for WT to have such databases of sinners who's sins are also crimes has to be decided in the Courts, albeit how the church handles sinners and confidential information they have on them is church business and confidential whether you like it or not.
IN THE US, how do you feel about a 16 year old boy ( sometimes lower than 16 with parental consent) marrying a 60 year old man? I don't like it and neither do JW, but we respect the the constitutional rights of others, and although WT freely publishes their moral views, they do not dictate it to others or resort to legal tactics or use the law to encroach upon or thwart the rights of others, neither do they advocate or aid and abet the government to change laws and/or punish those who practice a different morality so as to push JW morality JW's way.
