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News Flash: New Reveal Article
by Sugar Shane in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
less than an hour old:.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
Fisherman

When any person wants to report a crime or file a complaint, etc, he can either report it to the police or government agency directly or he can choose to call his lawyer for legal advice and follow the advice of his lawyer.
When CA reporting is state law, church elders can choose to contact their lawyers (WT legal who are also church ministers) and still meet the church penitent conditions for confidentiality, and follow their lawyers advice.
Whatever the legal consequences that could result from doing that is being handled by the lawyers who gave legal advice.
Some people do not like that, but it does not make a difference what people like. Caesar has the authority and power to legislate (and choose to enforce if he wishes) what the church shall or shall not do, and the church must obey Caesar (Not what people like the church to do) but by the same token the church enjoys freedom of worship in the US in-spite of what people like the church to do..
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News Flash: New Reveal Article
by Sugar Shane in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
less than an hour old:.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
Fisherman

What about the organisation where it exists in other countries than the US ?
That is the issue the that WT is having in the UK
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News Flash: New Reveal Article
by Sugar Shane in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
less than an hour old:.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
Fisherman

Does Caesar care more about the little children than the WT ?
WT should care more and it is the spiritual duty of shepherds to protect the sheep. But we are tallking about liability and legal responsibility to provide physical protection not spiritual duty.
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News Flash: New Reveal Article
by Sugar Shane in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
less than an hour old:.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
Fisherman

So why the hypocritical vilification of the Catholic Church .?
All churches enjoy the first. Publishing allegations about the wolf guarding the hen house does not attempt to challenge RC church rights of freedom of speech (church/ penitent) NO JW whatsoever has ever aid and abet the gov to go after the Catholic church for any reason whatsoever nor have they used any means legal or otherwise to do so.
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News Flash: New Reveal Article
by Sugar Shane in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
less than an hour old:.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
Fisherman

Why do you respond to "ethical responsibility" by using arguments from the legal system? Ethics are separate, and that's why jwfacts explicitly mentions them separately ("ethical and in some places, legal responsibility" to report). You may argue the government cannot force the church to do something, but ethics goes beyond legal and is about "how should we (any person) act?" Answer: help prevent further abuse where possible by reporting abusers to the police
What you say sounds ridiculous. Here is why:
Relating to church confidentiality, you should write a letter to the SC or to Congress and explain to them why you feel that that the 1st is unethical maybe they will trash the constitution because you feel it is unethical? Maybe someone should also get the US gov to abolish the constitution because they think that lawyer client privileged is also unethical and give them any reasons they like (but remeber do not use any legal reasons, tell them that they should do it for ethical reasons) or tell the bar association that decides ethical conduct for lawyers, that lawyers are unethical, or better yet tell them that they are unethical because they could stop a lot of crime if they reported their clients to the police or maybe they should be told that it is ok, that they feel it is ethical for them not to report killers and thieves, only child abusers because that is unethical of them not to report them. After all, it is ethical and it will help society to get rid of child abusers.. no no no that may be a legal move, better yet ask all the lawyers to turn in their clients voluntarily on the grounds that you feel it is unethical to help someone that could be a criminal. Give them any reason you like as long as they are helping the Police fight crime... It is late. Good night.
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News Flash: New Reveal Article
by Sugar Shane in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
less than an hour old:.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
Fisherman

Outlaw, I enjoy very much your posts but I enjoyed even more our dialogue the other day.
WE will talk on a less controvesial topic.
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News Flash: New Reveal Article
by Sugar Shane in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
less than an hour old:.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
Fisherman

Clarification: When I said despicable, I meant the crime not the person.
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News Flash: New Reveal Article
by Sugar Shane in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
less than an hour old:.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
Fisherman

Outlaw, if you want me to respond to your posts. I would like to hear your reasons and feelings on the issue. Or if you post something you assert is a fact, give reasons or examples why you feel it is a fact or show that it is a fact. We had a great dialogue the other day not about facts but about our viewpoints on a topic. My challenge to you is:explain your views.
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News Flash: New Reveal Article
by Sugar Shane in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
less than an hour old:.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
Fisherman

If a young JW girl or boy (8 years old) come to the elders about a rape, why would you doubt them?
Why even have a committee of elders to determine if a rape took place.
Besides having your opinion about hypothetical situations if and when they happen and whether or not you believe that abortion is murder, you do not have the authority to tell the church or Caesar what to do. But what you can do is to report crimes that you know about to the authorities.
Their are a lot of single moms in the organization with children, and they trust the brothers
with their life.
That sounds like a lazy excuse to have the church baby sit for their children. Church elders are not legally responsible to provide physical protection for children of congregants. If you choose trust everyone in the church with the pin code to your bank account or if you choose to trust everyone in your church with the keys to your house and if you choose to trust everyone in the church with your car and if you choose bring a young man to your house and trust him to sleep in same room with your virgin daughter because you trust him because he is a brother, and you choose to trust anyone with your kids, you are a fool. and then you want to sue the elders or the watchtower,
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News Flash: New Reveal Article
by Sugar Shane in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
less than an hour old:.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
Fisherman

Criminals "Hide Behind the Law" all the time..
It does not matter or have any affect on the legislation. Each case must be applied to the law.
WatchTower is better at it than most..
That is rhetoric.
Outlaw, you are posting conclusions. I was hoping that you would post reasons so that others could see the reasons behind your conclusions and form their own opinions.