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This thread is for proof that God exists

by juandefiero in

jw
friends

however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?

if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.

(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.

Fisherman

Not so that you could go on a rant attacking me for positions that I do not hold.

I did not go on a rant. I did not attack your position that you do not hold stating: "that we know that scientist
understand "physical" reality."

I asked you those questions so that I could better understand YOUR position.

Why does your understanding my position - that I have already stated on various posts on this thread- and fact ascertaining methodology affect in any way how much you know that scientist understand reality and how much scientist believe that they understand reality from scientific realism more than most people which is the subject matter of my posts that you refer to?

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This thread is for proof that God exists

by juandefiero in

jw
friends

however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?

if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.

(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.

Fisherman

So we know that scientist understand "physical" reality.

Non sequitur! I did not say that. You did. I said that scientist know more about the physical universe than most
people. I did not say that scientist understand physical reality. Scientists are limited to understand how the
universe exists but scientist do not understand why the universe exists, they guess "why" = a random number
generator. You are confused about reality if you assume that reality = physical universe -and nothing else is real unless it is a scientific fact which means that something should not and does not exists unless or until it is known.

Do we know that there's another group of people who understand the "other factors that make up reality?" If so, how does this other group know there are other factors?What methodology do the use to determine those other factors?What are those other factors?Who is this group that knows about these other factors?Is there consensus in the group about those other factors?

I have already responded to that, but you keep posting the same thing again; You only word things differently and you keep saying the same thing: 'Reality is subject to proof' If that is what you conclude you are wrong and here is why: Reality is not subject to proof because reality is not subject to personal belief, belief can be subject to proof.

If you consider the physical universe in terms of a given working mechanical machine, it might not be so important to understand why the machine exists, but only how it works and how it was made because why it was made has zero effect on how it is working thus scientists conclude that Y has zero effect in understanding how the universe is working

I am getting tired now but I will say this: Although Y could have zero effect on how the universe is working in terms of understanding the dynamics of the working universe does not mean that Y does not have any effect on Reality unless it was known that that Y did not exist.

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This thread is for proof that God exists

by juandefiero in

jw
friends

however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?

if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.

(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.

Fisherman

There was a time I thought you were interested in honest debate SBF.
I have given you the benefit of the doubt too often.
Fisherman - Bollocks

Cofty,

You seem to think that your criticism validates your argument. It does not.

The links and the subject matter in many of your posts are interesting however, I will fomr my own opinions not yours about what you post.

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This thread is for proof that God exists

by juandefiero in

jw
friends

however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?

if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.

(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.

Fisherman

No but reality INCLUDES 'the measurement of the physical universe and how it works.

juxtapose

scientists have "a better understanding of reality"

What a mockery of logic! Here is why:

'Scientists have "a better understanding of reality' assumes the definition of what reality is because in order to state that reality is better understood vs less understood involves knowing what reality is -or how could one understands more about reality than someone else if one did not know the definition of reality, or what reality is all about.

scientists have "a better understanding of reality"

statement assumes reality = Physical universe only Here is WHY:

Y= other factors that make up reality

X= Physical Universe

u=Understanding

uX = Understanding Physical Universe

uY = Understanding other factors that make up reality

R= Reality

Understanding Physical Universe + Understanding other factors that make up reality = Understanding Reality

or uY+uX= uR or Y+X=R

BUT the statement that I responded to said' Scientists have "a better understanding of reality' OR

Y<X

And that means that Y can never be more than (or better) or equal to X THAT IS A LIMIT.

OR The Physical Universe is more than the other factors that make up reality. (And how would you know that unless you knew what reality is all about) BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WHAT OTHERS KNOW AND HOW MUCH THEY KNOW ABOUT REALITY, that is inconsequential BECAUSE SCIENTIST would ALWAYS KNOW MORE( THE STATEMENT ASSUMES THAT NO MATTER HOW MUCH ANYONE KNOWS AT PRESENT ABOUT REALITY, SCIENTIST KNOW MORE OR Y=0

And then you say : "No but reality INCLUDES 'the measurement of the physical universe and how it works." as if now all of a sudden uX+uY=uR without even knowing y and nobody knows what reality is all about NOW which contradicts the statement that I was responding to when I posted: "The statement assumes that reality is limited to mean 'the measurement of the physical universe and how it works'.

Scientists have all of the same emotions and feelings and experiences as the rest of us. However they also have knowledge about the way the world works in a way that most non-scientists do not. There is a correlation between a scientist's knowledge about reality and the likelihood that they reject belief in a god.
Only 7% of the members of the American Academy of Science believe in god.
Why do you think that is?

Although emotions are real in a sense and so are thoughts, they are only human reaction and interaction with reality. I know the difference between a fallacy and a rock and feeling don't change them. I am convinced that the physical universe is only part of reality. True, scientist do know more about the physical universe than most people but they do not know more about reality as I have shown you why.

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Evolution is a Fact #21 - Footprints in the Sand

by cofty in

back in the pliocene epoch a volcano called sadiman erupted depositing a layer of ash across the landscape.

some time later it rained at laetoli in modern day tanzania turning the ash into wet cement.

birds and animals walked across the cement, then sadiman erupted again sealing the footprints under a second layer of ash.. fast-forward to 1976. a team of paleontologists led by mary leakey are searching for human origins on the serengeti plain when andrew hill ducks out the way of elephant dung being thrown at him by a colleague.

Fisherman

The impressions in the sand, even if assumed were made long ago, do not prove that they were made by early semi humans.

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This thread is for proof that God exists

by juandefiero in

jw
friends

however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?

if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.

(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.

Fisherman

That is why the comment that scientists have "a better understanding of reality" is ignorant and stupid.

I agree that the comment reveals that the commentator has a flagrant disregard for logic -and here is why: The statement assumes that reality is limited to mean 'the measurement of the physical universe and how it works'.

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This thread is for proof that God exists

by juandefiero in

jw
friends

however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?

if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.

(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.

Fisherman

Chemists seem to believe in God the most for some strange reason.

Chemist find it science fiction to believe that organic molecules (methane for example) synthesized life from nothing.

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How did you feel when they eliminated the Con. Book Study?

by Freeandclear in

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friends

years ago when i was "in" i loved the book study.

it was my favorite meeting by far.

mainly because it was a small group.

Fisherman

I felt at the time that the book study required a separate day , not to cram everything into one meeting night., but there was no other way because book study had been determined to be to be part of the JW weekly program and because people do not have the time they had 40 years ago to go to 3 separate meetings a week. So the choice was either to cram another lesson into the meeting or go to another meeting on another night. Since it aint a longer meeting wiith BS included and you dont have to go 3 times a week but only two it turns out to be favorable to everyone.

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