however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?
if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.
(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.
virtual particles popping in and out of existence
That is something observed in the existing universe. Something changing in the real world is different than nothing changing into something in a non existing universe. But if anyone can show proof that these so called particles existed before the atom was formed or that subatomic activity existed before the real world existed, I could not deny such proof.
however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?
if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.
(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.
however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?
if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.
(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.
CL,
The way I see it Quantum mechanics does not exist in a non existent universe I also do not believe that time and empty space always existed before the universe but are part of the framework of the universe. If anyone can show mehow time and space always existed, I would like to see it.
I have a philosophical reason: Given God exists, time and space or anything else are not co eternal with God.
however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?
if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.
(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.
It should also be noted that your use of statistics is very misleadingIt is not misleading .
It's not the staggering odds you're suggesting
Allow me to explain by way of example;........This is a logical fallacy.
Since there is no proof contrary to that how can the formation or change from "nothing" to something occur without any added energy? Who fired things up? Who turned on the switch? : If any energy at all was used to change nothing to something , would result in a universe having energy not = to zero; for example, a car engine wiil not turn on on its own, it requires someone to turn on the ignition switch and the energy it took to turn the car on must be added to the total energy of the system.
Same applies to the engine of the universe, but when all of the energy of the universe is added up, kinetic energy for example, rotation of everything in one direction for example equals the same amount of energy in the other direction the sum is = to zero.
In science, change is always invoked by energy and change cannot happen without energy and surely then if energy was required to change nothing into something, the universe would not be zero energy.Thus science fiction and not the real world purports that "nothing "is unfaithful, a Judas, not trustworthy.
But we have a problem here: As far as I know and believe it is true, energy did not change nothing into something and if that is a fact, then what did change nothing into something that exists in the form of the universe, its laws and everything in it? The fact is that scientists do not know and cannot prove what did without resorting to and evoking science fiction and neither does the Casmir Effect that you misrepresent show the magical creation of something from nothing.... and these imaginary universess you suggest that do not exist but would exists with other laws is just not the real world. It is a fantasy, science fiction.
I trust nothing, I have faith in nothing, I am convinced that nothing will never turn Judas on me. Nothing is always inert, nothing is always sterile, nothing will never change (on its own). It is logically and scientifically impossible for nothing to change on its own without something causing that change.
Reality is that we have the universe and we also have something that caused it form.
however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?
if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.
(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.
The idea that the material universe with it's laws, made itself, might just be wishful thinking too. never been seen before, even on a smaller scale.
I find it hard to believe too that the transition or change from nothing to something happened without energy or cause and after that change, it randomly decided to choose the drive (set of physical laws) and direction it did forming the universe . It is like playing the lottery with 6.02 x 10 23 different numbers and winning 6.02 x 10 24 times by chance if a person should live so long.
And then, another change from death (chemical molecules and laws of chemistry) to living organisms, all laws and systemic processes demonstrating faithful predictable conduct but evolving and or forming randomly without intelligence.
I have never seen anything like that in the "real world."
however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?
if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.
(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.
The idea that the material universe with it's laws, made itself, might just be wishful thinking too. never been seen before, even on a smaller scale.
What a brilliant understanding of faith prologos! And to show examples of things that are faithful:The sun is faithful, Old Faithful is faithful, the universe is faithful, God is faithful.
And faith in them can only be based upon not the evidence of their existence but proof of their conduct
most creationist arguments can be summarised as "complexity, complexity, complexity - therefore god".
we have all heard the illustrations about the odds of (insert favourite example) evolving, being less than 10,000 monkeys typing macbeth by pure chance.
evolution is not like that.
most creationist arguments can be summarised as "complexity, complexity, complexity - therefore god".
we have all heard the illustrations about the odds of (insert favourite example) evolving, being less than 10,000 monkeys typing macbeth by pure chance.
evolution is not like that.
but your welcome to come as guest we just will not talk to you stupid idiot
however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?
if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.
(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.
For the record though, Jehovah's Witnesses mean Jehovah's Evidence or evidence from Jehovah. One Biblical Hebrew word (there are others and the language expresses ideas in different terms and it is not possible to convey some ideas in exactly in English words) for evidence is"ayd" or ed. The talking horse Mr Ed, "from the horses mouth", is an allusion to that - "amusing" and "comical" and enertainingas Marvin Shilmer would say.
