Posts by Fisherman

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God said be fruitful and multiply,fill the earth and govern it.

by atomant in

l have a problem with this.lf adam and eve didnt sin the earth would eventually have been full to the brim with perfect human beings.then what every man gets the chop or no more sex?then on the other hand we have the jw's sayingresurrected ones will not be allowed to marry in the earthly new system.. married survivors of armageddon will remain married.

single survivors of armageddon may or may not be allowed to marry.so it seems that people reborn into new system wont be able to procreate.

and married survivors will stay married so l assume that means they can still hanky panky and have babys thats a bit unfair..the earth can only accommodate a maximum number of humans then what for the married couples.

Fisherman

Fisherman, what is it about God's Holy Spirit that proves, beyond doubt that he exists?

It appears to me that each individual has his own methodology for ascertaining facts. I am more skeptical than most, convinced only with striking proof -something that can be measured. I believe in subjective evidence too and I form conclusions from such evidence but they are only beliefs based on my interpretation of the evidence.

Jehovah's Holy Spirit is conclusive proof from God, you measure it yourself, same as the evidence you read about in the Bible but you do not have to read about it or have someone prove it to you like you are asking me. You will know. Here is an example. Look inside the left pocket of your pants. You know what it is inside your pocket. You know for certain.

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God said be fruitful and multiply,fill the earth and govern it.

by atomant in

l have a problem with this.lf adam and eve didnt sin the earth would eventually have been full to the brim with perfect human beings.then what every man gets the chop or no more sex?then on the other hand we have the jw's sayingresurrected ones will not be allowed to marry in the earthly new system.. married survivors of armageddon will remain married.

single survivors of armageddon may or may not be allowed to marry.so it seems that people reborn into new system wont be able to procreate.

and married survivors will stay married so l assume that means they can still hanky panky and have babys thats a bit unfair..the earth can only accommodate a maximum number of humans then what for the married couples.

Fisherman

Let me just consider a passage from your first reference for your sake not mine because I told you that I KNOW WHAT I KNOW WITH CERTAINTY. That makes me a witness. You are an advocate and you wish to persuade others.

"The author then shows how these and related principles operate in primates and how they apparently operated in our hominid ancestors."

The passage assumes that we have hominoid ancestors. That has not been proven. The author does not prove that we have hominoid ancestors. The passage contrasts the difference between a fact (operate in primates) and a conclusion (APPARENTLY OPERATED) assuming that humanoids were our parents.

When it becomes something that I can measure in a lab or proof of the same substance as Jehovah's Holy Spirit, I will look but until then it is only science fiction.

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God said be fruitful and multiply,fill the earth and govern it.

by atomant in

l have a problem with this.lf adam and eve didnt sin the earth would eventually have been full to the brim with perfect human beings.then what every man gets the chop or no more sex?then on the other hand we have the jw's sayingresurrected ones will not be allowed to marry in the earthly new system.. married survivors of armageddon will remain married.

single survivors of armageddon may or may not be allowed to marry.so it seems that people reborn into new system wont be able to procreate.

and married survivors will stay married so l assume that means they can still hanky panky and have babys thats a bit unfair..the earth can only accommodate a maximum number of humans then what for the married couples.

Fisherman

mountains of evidence that all confirms the fact

That is a false statement if you like to prove than humans evolved from non humans. NO mountain of evidence exists and saying that they exist does not make it so and neither is posting conclusions about interpretations from "evidence" purporting "evolution".

( as I have explained above, in Science)There is no such thing as "verifiable proof" -EXCEPT for verifiable proof of Jehovah.

Do us a favour and never agree to be part of a jury.

Depends on the jury. IN the US, when the subject matter is Criminal Court, a juror must be satisfied beyond all reasonable doubt. IN the US, when it is a civil case, the burden of proof is preponderance of evidence.

A person cannot serve as a juror when he is a witness, however. And an advocate cannot be arbitrator as you purport to be and juror all at the same time.

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God said be fruitful and multiply,fill the earth and govern it.

by atomant in

l have a problem with this.lf adam and eve didnt sin the earth would eventually have been full to the brim with perfect human beings.then what every man gets the chop or no more sex?then on the other hand we have the jw's sayingresurrected ones will not be allowed to marry in the earthly new system.. married survivors of armageddon will remain married.

single survivors of armageddon may or may not be allowed to marry.so it seems that people reborn into new system wont be able to procreate.

and married survivors will stay married so l assume that means they can still hanky panky and have babys thats a bit unfair..the earth can only accommodate a maximum number of humans then what for the married couples.

Fisherman

When a person is a eyewitness of an event, he knows what happened with certainty. Who can show such a person that he does not know what he knows. Science doesn't deal in absolutes like proof. Science can never be sure that they've considered all the axioms, and could be only one discovery away from undermining what they think they know : Science doesn't know what they don't know. Science deals in evidence, probability and confidence - not proof.

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God said be fruitful and multiply,fill the earth and govern it.

by atomant in

l have a problem with this.lf adam and eve didnt sin the earth would eventually have been full to the brim with perfect human beings.then what every man gets the chop or no more sex?then on the other hand we have the jw's sayingresurrected ones will not be allowed to marry in the earthly new system.. married survivors of armageddon will remain married.

single survivors of armageddon may or may not be allowed to marry.so it seems that people reborn into new system wont be able to procreate.

and married survivors will stay married so l assume that means they can still hanky panky and have babys thats a bit unfair..the earth can only accommodate a maximum number of humans then what for the married couples.

Fisherman

.... yes l have researched the evolution theory

Referring to evolution as a theory is a very broad statement but if you mean that humans did not evolve from non-humans that seems to be what the Bible is saying when it says that: male and female He created them forming them from clay and Adam's rib (whatever that means.) - and also when it says referring to animals "according to its kind" I have concluded with certainty that Jehovah is the creator but it is very difficult to know with certainty what the Bible means sometimes, for example, the Bible states that God created the heavens and the earth in 7 days (whatever that means.) How long is a day? Science appears to have invalidated old beliefs that the earth is only thousands of years old and that God created the universe in 7 x 7000 years( including his rest) Science has not invalidated the Bible, however.

If it can be shown that humans existed 20,000 years ago for example, it would challenge the validity of the belief that Adam was created about 4026 years ago.

What trumps everything is God's Holy Spirit which is solid proof of God's existence, a Creator; hence everything else that seems to contradict what the Bible says about creation is moot.

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Child Abuse

by MicaSmith in

hello, i am new to forum.

i want to thank you for allowing me to post my concerns.. you are a lively, intelligent, empathetic community.

i have read many of your posts and comments.. i have two concerns that i would like to discuss here.

Fisherman

"Straw man", right it is what you like, playing games of logic and people that are responsible for protecting children hand them over to the wolf and then kill the wolf and call those who have a DUTY to protect children a straw man, brilliant!

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Child Abuse

by MicaSmith in

hello, i am new to forum.

i want to thank you for allowing me to post my concerns.. you are a lively, intelligent, empathetic community.

i have read many of your posts and comments.. i have two concerns that i would like to discuss here.

Fisherman

Did anyone read the article on the news about child protective services (or whatever agency it is that delegates children to foster care) handing over little children and mentally challenged little children (hundreds of them) to a child rapist who raped them and more for a period of 20 years?

Any government agency can make a mistake. BUT 20 YEAR!!! What a hunk of "bullocks" from these people who have the duty of protecting children.

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This thread is for proof that God exists

by juandefiero in

jw
friends

however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?

if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.

(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.

Fisherman

....I won't go with what lies behind the sanitex rubber body stockings....... REbel

What are you trying to say?

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This thread is for proof that God exists

by juandefiero in

jw
friends

however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?

if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.

(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.

Fisherman

So I think these threads on proof of Gods existence are insane, we are here together ex- Jehovers Witnesses and we need special emergency meetings to discuss if God exists. That's insane.

Ahhh, I thinks you see after all.

Seems to me here though that these people are hurtin, not so much that they do not know that God exixts but give up faith because they cannot reconcile God with seas of suffering. I see poi pain and others, but not until his last post did I see proof of CL pain. I wish I could give you what I have.

Here is the objective evidence that Jehovah is reality that can be verified: Jehovah's Holy Spirit is proof, conclusive, convincing evidence, certainty- which is what proof is all about

Subjective evidence is just that, evidence; it is convincing, but,you just do not know with certainty.

I am certain that God exists.

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Chitty

by StopTheTears in

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friends

i've learned that many years ago, there was a man named brother chitty of some prominence in the jehovah's witnesses organization.

it fact, chitty was a member of the governing body.

chitty was asked to resign his position after serving for many years and nothing much was ever said about it to jehovahs witnesses.

Fisherman

How could anyone ask the guy anything for him to defend? WT moved him away.

And how does that subject matter have anything to do with it being unfair to defame a man from accusations without first listening to his defense?