Posts by Fisherman

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A fresh look at Shunning

by Giordano in

i have always been opposed to the practice of shunning especially for simple mistakes, especially when someone questions the 'truth' or the gb.

or elects to speak to a shunned family member or close friend.

or violates the blood ban.. even as a practicing jw i was uncomfortable with shunning.. an article caught my attention today on ritual sacrifice.

Fisherman

After all a DF or DA person is considered living under a death sentence in the JW world........

I think that was is an old belief as is "spiritual leprosy" used to descibe DF. The JW refer to DF as a condition. But more accurately an unrepentant sinner because that is the only reason why anyone should be df. THe DF form s77 alludes to 777 or forgiving 77x 7.

From an objective position though, there should be some way to deal with lawbreakers in any society even in JW. DF like jail or punishment or a fine is an attempt to force a lawbreaker to comply and is it serves as a warning to deter others, otherwise you would foolishly have everyone doing whatever they wanted hurting themselves an others( based upon the related rules of conduct) without any fear of punishment.

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An inguinal hernia.

by Fisherman in

there are a couple of schools of thought on this.

some doctors recommend postponing surgery others recommend laparascopic surgery, etc.

how about local anesthesia, complications during and after surgery and other concerns.

Fisherman

Thanks to everyone for your kind support during my recovery. 11 days now since the surgery and not fully recovered but getting there. I am really happy it is behind me now. Giordano, thanks for the info. I experienced the sailboat effect you mentioned. It has been smooth for a couple of days now.

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An inguinal hernia.

by Fisherman in

there are a couple of schools of thought on this.

some doctors recommend postponing surgery others recommend laparascopic surgery, etc.

how about local anesthesia, complications during and after surgery and other concerns.

Fisherman

I had the surgery. I am home recovering and very appreciative to the kind posters here. I am glad I did it. I chose the spinal anesthesia and very glad I made that choice. The anesthesiologists tried to persuade me to take general but my mind was set. They gave me an IV sedative before the spinal and I felt great.I was able to move my legs a little bit and I am happy with the anesthesia. BY the time the surgery was over I was awake, time passed fast. I recommend spinal (from this anesthesiologists he was great he used 5% lidocaine short acting versus tetracaine). Now I have to wait and see how the repair turns out.I am home now. Oh, I was also concerned about loosing my sex drive even for a moment from the anesthesia andsurgery but even immediatley after surgery I checked and it was still there.

I think that hospitals in the US make more money on GA and that is why they push it.

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death at the 'memorial'

by eyeuse2badub in

i just got the news from our former congregation in hollister, ca regarding a tragic event following the 'memorial' wednesday night.

we shared the kh with 2 spanish congos.. a couple from the spanish congregation were leaving the kh so that the next spanish congo could have their 'memorial'.

they exited the parking lot in their car when hit by an oncoming car right in front of the kh.

Fisherman

Only a couple a minutes ago I lay flat on my back unconscious. During the time I slowly regained consciousness and before realizing what happened to me, I found myself trying to answer this post in my mind.

I slowly began to regain consciousness. I realized that I had fainted, fell to the floor and hit my head on the bathroom tile but without realizing it this post was in my mind. What happened to me was that I had surgery and was in severe pain,I had to go to the bathroom but overwhelmed from pain and trauma collapsed.

Nothing happened to me, my skull was not cracked, no broken bones, no injuries. I felt a sensation from hitting my skull o the hard floor but not pain.

Before I managed to get up and walk back to bed it struck me that in the past on more than one occasion I was remarkably rescued from death.

I just had to get up and post this. So here I am. Assuming this post about the woman is true, I cannot figure why it happened to her, very sad.

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God said be fruitful and multiply,fill the earth and govern it.

by atomant in

l have a problem with this.lf adam and eve didnt sin the earth would eventually have been full to the brim with perfect human beings.then what every man gets the chop or no more sex?then on the other hand we have the jw's sayingresurrected ones will not be allowed to marry in the earthly new system.. married survivors of armageddon will remain married.

single survivors of armageddon may or may not be allowed to marry.so it seems that people reborn into new system wont be able to procreate.

and married survivors will stay married so l assume that means they can still hanky panky and have babys thats a bit unfair..the earth can only accommodate a maximum number of humans then what for the married couples.

Fisherman

The reason I ask is because I was wondering what you see occuring today as being evidence of God's Ho!y Spirit, how do you see it as operating?

I have answered your question the best I could. The above question is another question.

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God said be fruitful and multiply,fill the earth and govern it.

by atomant in

l have a problem with this.lf adam and eve didnt sin the earth would eventually have been full to the brim with perfect human beings.then what every man gets the chop or no more sex?then on the other hand we have the jw's sayingresurrected ones will not be allowed to marry in the earthly new system.. married survivors of armageddon will remain married.

single survivors of armageddon may or may not be allowed to marry.so it seems that people reborn into new system wont be able to procreate.

and married survivors will stay married so l assume that means they can still hanky panky and have babys thats a bit unfair..the earth can only accommodate a maximum number of humans then what for the married couples.

Fisherman

Fisherman, what is it about God's Holy Spirit that proves, beyond doubt that he exists?

It appears to me that each individual has his own methodology for ascertaining facts. I am more skeptical than most, convinced only with striking proof -something that can be measured. I believe in subjective evidence too and I form conclusions from such evidence but they are only beliefs based on my interpretation of the evidence.

Jehovah's Holy Spirit is conclusive proof from God, you measure it yourself, same as the evidence you read about in the Bible but you do not have to read about it or have someone prove it to you like you are asking me. You will know. Here is an example. Look inside the left pocket of your pants. You know what it is inside your pocket. You know for certain.

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God said be fruitful and multiply,fill the earth and govern it.

by atomant in

l have a problem with this.lf adam and eve didnt sin the earth would eventually have been full to the brim with perfect human beings.then what every man gets the chop or no more sex?then on the other hand we have the jw's sayingresurrected ones will not be allowed to marry in the earthly new system.. married survivors of armageddon will remain married.

single survivors of armageddon may or may not be allowed to marry.so it seems that people reborn into new system wont be able to procreate.

and married survivors will stay married so l assume that means they can still hanky panky and have babys thats a bit unfair..the earth can only accommodate a maximum number of humans then what for the married couples.

Fisherman

Let me just consider a passage from your first reference for your sake not mine because I told you that I KNOW WHAT I KNOW WITH CERTAINTY. That makes me a witness. You are an advocate and you wish to persuade others.

"The author then shows how these and related principles operate in primates and how they apparently operated in our hominid ancestors."

The passage assumes that we have hominoid ancestors. That has not been proven. The author does not prove that we have hominoid ancestors. The passage contrasts the difference between a fact (operate in primates) and a conclusion (APPARENTLY OPERATED) assuming that humanoids were our parents.

When it becomes something that I can measure in a lab or proof of the same substance as Jehovah's Holy Spirit, I will look but until then it is only science fiction.

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God said be fruitful and multiply,fill the earth and govern it.

by atomant in

l have a problem with this.lf adam and eve didnt sin the earth would eventually have been full to the brim with perfect human beings.then what every man gets the chop or no more sex?then on the other hand we have the jw's sayingresurrected ones will not be allowed to marry in the earthly new system.. married survivors of armageddon will remain married.

single survivors of armageddon may or may not be allowed to marry.so it seems that people reborn into new system wont be able to procreate.

and married survivors will stay married so l assume that means they can still hanky panky and have babys thats a bit unfair..the earth can only accommodate a maximum number of humans then what for the married couples.

Fisherman

mountains of evidence that all confirms the fact

That is a false statement if you like to prove than humans evolved from non humans. NO mountain of evidence exists and saying that they exist does not make it so and neither is posting conclusions about interpretations from "evidence" purporting "evolution".

( as I have explained above, in Science)There is no such thing as "verifiable proof" -EXCEPT for verifiable proof of Jehovah.

Do us a favour and never agree to be part of a jury.

Depends on the jury. IN the US, when the subject matter is Criminal Court, a juror must be satisfied beyond all reasonable doubt. IN the US, when it is a civil case, the burden of proof is preponderance of evidence.

A person cannot serve as a juror when he is a witness, however. And an advocate cannot be arbitrator as you purport to be and juror all at the same time.

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God said be fruitful and multiply,fill the earth and govern it.

by atomant in

l have a problem with this.lf adam and eve didnt sin the earth would eventually have been full to the brim with perfect human beings.then what every man gets the chop or no more sex?then on the other hand we have the jw's sayingresurrected ones will not be allowed to marry in the earthly new system.. married survivors of armageddon will remain married.

single survivors of armageddon may or may not be allowed to marry.so it seems that people reborn into new system wont be able to procreate.

and married survivors will stay married so l assume that means they can still hanky panky and have babys thats a bit unfair..the earth can only accommodate a maximum number of humans then what for the married couples.

Fisherman

When a person is a eyewitness of an event, he knows what happened with certainty. Who can show such a person that he does not know what he knows. Science doesn't deal in absolutes like proof. Science can never be sure that they've considered all the axioms, and could be only one discovery away from undermining what they think they know : Science doesn't know what they don't know. Science deals in evidence, probability and confidence - not proof.

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God said be fruitful and multiply,fill the earth and govern it.

by atomant in

l have a problem with this.lf adam and eve didnt sin the earth would eventually have been full to the brim with perfect human beings.then what every man gets the chop or no more sex?then on the other hand we have the jw's sayingresurrected ones will not be allowed to marry in the earthly new system.. married survivors of armageddon will remain married.

single survivors of armageddon may or may not be allowed to marry.so it seems that people reborn into new system wont be able to procreate.

and married survivors will stay married so l assume that means they can still hanky panky and have babys thats a bit unfair..the earth can only accommodate a maximum number of humans then what for the married couples.

Fisherman

.... yes l have researched the evolution theory

Referring to evolution as a theory is a very broad statement but if you mean that humans did not evolve from non-humans that seems to be what the Bible is saying when it says that: male and female He created them forming them from clay and Adam's rib (whatever that means.) - and also when it says referring to animals "according to its kind" I have concluded with certainty that Jehovah is the creator but it is very difficult to know with certainty what the Bible means sometimes, for example, the Bible states that God created the heavens and the earth in 7 days (whatever that means.) How long is a day? Science appears to have invalidated old beliefs that the earth is only thousands of years old and that God created the universe in 7 x 7000 years( including his rest) Science has not invalidated the Bible, however.

If it can be shown that humans existed 20,000 years ago for example, it would challenge the validity of the belief that Adam was created about 4026 years ago.

What trumps everything is God's Holy Spirit which is solid proof of God's existence, a Creator; hence everything else that seems to contradict what the Bible says about creation is moot.