That, (IMHO) is a gaping hole in their theology.TD
How is there a gaping hole in wt theology in relation to the great crowd?
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Another generation....
by joey jojo init has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
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Another generation....
by joey jojo init has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
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I would agree with you that it would be a humbling experience to face the person or persons that you wronged, (Assuming, for the sake of discussion that this is all true...) TD
juxtaposition
Why, for example, die in a concentration camp if the full extent of your hope is to be resurrected right alongside your captors???? What possible incentive is that to be faithful????? TD
....are not the things that these people are going to be judged on.TD
If they are resurrected
which is that in JW theology, virtually everyone gets resurrected. TD
*** w12 9/1 p. 17 What Will Happen on Judgment Day? ***
What will Judgment Day accomplish?
Those who died without ever having come to know Jehovah God and serve him will have the opportunity to change and do good. If they do so, their resurrection will turn out to be “a resurrection of life.” Some of the resurrected ones, however, will not want to learn Jehovah’s ways. Theirs will turn out to be “a resurrection of judgment.”—Read John 5:28, 29; Isaiah 26:10; 65:20. -
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Another generation....
by joey jojo init has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
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The have never taught anything even remotely resembling the notion you have floated on this thread - That the resurrected will face God's "Vengeance" in a "Universal Court of Justice" for the sins they they committed prior to their death.
I never said that: Please read what I said
'You got it all wrong. When are people going to realize that Jehovah is a vengeful God, He pays back. Anyone that dares to touch the least of his friends pays and plenty. <BEFORE THE MILLENIUM> They may repent later on but that involves surrendering and how painful it is to realize what they have done (ask Judas Iscariot)
Imagine your resurrected captors having to face you in the Universal Court of JUSTICE (compare1)....
What in the world will KIng David tell Uriah when he must face him (compare2) some day... and too David paid an expensive price, so did Amalek, Pharaoh, Herod, those that murdered Jesus, and any entity who dares to touch any of God's friends.'
(compare1) JUDGEMENT DAY -Rev 20
to be resurrected right alongside your captors????(compare2) What possible incentive is that to be faithful?????
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Another generation....
by joey jojo init has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
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I don't know if this helps or not, but at a personal level, I don't think a system where all offenses, great and small ultimately carry the same penalty is very satisfying from the standpoint of justice either. -TD
Does It seems to you that the righteous receive a reward: the resurrection?
Does it also seem to you that by the same token the unrighteous receive a reward -the resurrection?
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Another generation....
by joey jojo init has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
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PRAISE GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT!
HS is proof from God not the WT.
1914, 1975 and generation teachings make sense in-spite of WT conclusions connected to the dates.
Overlapping is a disappointing explanation for a "Methuselah generation" (thank you prologos for making me laugh so much. I am still laughing now as I write this and every time I think about it.).
It seems logical that "God's Organization" would disseminate only truths from God but as I stated before, the evidence proves that God allows a human element to coexist with his Holy Spirit.
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Another generation....
by joey jojo init has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
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Justice.What is it that you think I'm not seeing?
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Beliefs About What Caused the Universe
by Perry inthe universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.
whatever begins to exist had a cause.
therefore the universe had a cause.
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Logically , something had to always exist. Either that something is God or something else
Logically the then, either that Something changed and evolved into our universe and everything in it out of pure luck or the Something has a dynamics that drives it except life and intelligence -and the more I think about it the more impossible it seems,or, that substance that always existed is God, the source and cause of the universe which is the only logical conclusion that makes sense to me.
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Beliefs About What Caused the Universe
by Perry inthe universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.
whatever begins to exist had a cause.
therefore the universe had a cause.
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Prologos. Logically, something had to always exist. Either that something is God or something else. -
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Another generation....
by joey jojo init has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
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Why, for example, die in a concentration camp if the full extent of your hope is to be resurrected right alongside your captors???? What possible incentive is that to be faithful???? ..... clean slate -td
*** w12 9/1 p. 16 What Will Happen on Judgment Day? ***
The resurrected ones will be judged, not on the basis of what they did before they died, but on what they do when the contents of the “scrolls” mentioned in Revelation chapter 20 are revealed. (Romans 6:7) Among those who will come back to life and have the opportunity to learn about God are “both the righteous and the unrighteous,” said the apostle Paul.—Read Acts 24:15. 'Imagine your resurrected captors having to face you in the universal court of Justice' "What in the world will king David tell Uriah when he will face him someday" and too David paid an expensive price.." As I said before, you fail to understand.
(Revelation 20:11-13) 11 And I saw a great white throne and the One seated on it. From before him the earth and the heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. The dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the dead in it, and death and the Grave gave up the dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds. . . (Revelation 20:14, 15) 14 And death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire. 15 Furthermore, whoever was not found written in the book of life was hurled into the lake of fire.
Sinners die don't they?
Some die after they are killed by a vengeful God, for example: (1 Samuel 15:33) and compare (Exodus 1:22) . . . with (Exodus 11:5) 5. compare: O God of vengeance, Jehovah, O God of vengeance, shine forth! 2 Rise up, O Judge of the earth. Repay to the haughty what they deserve. -(Psalm 94:1, 2) others are kept alive: (Exodus 9:16) and others (Revelation 19:17)Either you don't see it or are pretending not to see it. -a man of your intellect and education: Bible history proves that Jehovah of the Bible is not one to be mocked. Christians have delegated personal vengeance and justice to God, but you seem to imply that people that harm Jehovah's friends will not have to pay but will smoothly get away with it and wind up with a clean slate. You also seem to imply that it is better to be ignorant of God so that you can live it up without any accountability except a clean slate after a guaranteed resurrection. Is that what you think is JW theology!
The incentive for serving God is a clean conscience, blessings, Holy Spirit, that a christian experiences, triumph and vindication, and a guarantee of everlasting life via resurrection or being part of the great crowd.
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Beliefs About What Caused the Universe
by Perry inthe universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.
whatever begins to exist had a cause.
therefore the universe had a cause.
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no matter how you cause it, logic demands something to have always existed. (unless you are a zealous worshiper of a theory and science fiction.)