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  Another generation....

  by joey jojo in

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  it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

  the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

  the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

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  Fisherman

  In John 6 Jesus said to partake is essential to get everlasting life

  Prologos, that is another topic. I am not saying that it is not related but I am only focusing TD commentary on the great crowd.

  It is twisting the scriptures to say the great crowd survives , or exists as an entity before the great tribulation.
  

  I understand what you are saying but what the wt concludes seems logical when they reason that in order to come out of the gt or survive they must exist as a gc beforehand. The wt I quoted from above admits they were wrong about the gc prior to 1935.
  
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  900000 US$ donations from Brother Nelson (aka Prince)

  by sp74bb in

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  2005 - $20,000 for chanhassen jevovah witnes y st louis jehovah witness2006 - $130,000 for jehovah witness kingdom hall2007 - $800,000 for peccole ranch lakes kingdom hall fund.

  the amounts of his donations has been posted in other forums with copies of the public tax filings of his love 4 one another foundation..

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  Fisherman

  Yes...it was earned

  Correct.
  

  ..all the while claiming to be one of Jehovah's Witness

  From JW rules, GB appointees are responsible for "judging" JW -not you. But it was his money.
  
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  Another generation....

  by joey jojo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

  the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

  the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

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  Fisherman

  Because of the time constraint inherent in the concept, Fisherman.  -TD
  

  
  

  *** w15 2/15 p. 32 “A Very Precious Season” ***
  The year 1935 marked a dramatic change that affected future Memorial observances, for the meaning of the “great multitude” (KJ), or “great crowd,” of Revelation 7:9 was clarified. Until then, Jehovah’s servants had viewed this group as consecrated Christians who were less zealous. Now this vast throng was identified as faithful worshippers who hope to live on a paradise earth......
  

  JW have never claimed to be infaliible and have adimitted in writting that their gt expectations have been off date but not doctrinally wrong -but there still does not appear to be any gaping hole in wt theology of a great crowd surviving the gt and they continue to teach the same as the above quoted wt shows.
  
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

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  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  Fisherman

  There's something deeply mysterious at the heart of existence.

  WOW!!, Enjoyed that expression. Thanks sbf. You are a profound poster.
  
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  900000 US$ donations from Brother Nelson (aka Prince)

  by sp74bb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  2005 - $20,000 for chanhassen jevovah witnes y st louis jehovah witness2006 - $130,000 for jehovah witness kingdom hall2007 - $800,000 for peccole ranch lakes kingdom hall fund.

  the amounts of his donations has been posted in other forums with copies of the public tax filings of his love 4 one another foundation..

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  Fisherman

  Yeah and that's from money that he earned not from funds extracted from government funds or social programs like some religions do to finance their projects.
  
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  Fisherman

  Perry, even with a purely sterile theological position your reasons appeal to logic.
  
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  Another generation....

  by joey jojo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

  the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

  the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

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  Fisherman

  That, (IMHO) is a gaping hole in their theology.TD

  How is there a gaping hole in wt theology in relation to the great crowd?
  
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  Another generation....

  by joey jojo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

  the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

  the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

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  Fisherman

  
  

  I would agree with you that it would be a humbling experience to face the person or persons that you wronged, (Assuming, for the sake of discussion that this is all true...) TD
  

  juxtaposition

  Why, for example, die in a concentration camp if the full extent of your hope is to be resurrected right alongside your captors???? What possible incentive is that to be faithful????? TD

  ....are not the things that these people are going to be judged on.TD

  If they are resurrected
  

  
  

  which is that in JW theology, virtually everyone gets resurrected. TD
  

  
  

  *** w12 9/1 p. 17 What Will Happen on Judgment Day? ***
  What will Judgment Day accomplish?
  Those who died without ever having come to know Jehovah God and serve him will have the opportunity to change and do good. If they do so, their resurrection will turn out to be “a resurrection of life.” Some of the resurrected ones, however, will not want to learn Jehovah’s ways. Theirs will turn out to be “a resurrection of judgment.”—Read John 5:28, 29; Isaiah 26:10; 65:20.
  
  
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  Another generation....

  by joey jojo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

  the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

  the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

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  Fisherman

  The have never taught anything even remotely resembling the notion you have floated on this thread - That the resurrected will face God's "Vengeance" in a "Universal Court of Justice" for the sins they they committed prior to their death.

  I never said that: Please read what I said
  

  'You got it all wrong. When are people going to realize that Jehovah is a vengeful God, He pays back. Anyone that dares to touch the least of his friends pays and plenty. <BEFORE THE MILLENIUM> They may repent later on but that involves surrendering and how painful it is to realize what they have done (ask Judas Iscariot)

  Imagine your resurrected captors having to face you in the Universal Court of JUSTICE (compare1)....
  

  What in the world will KIng David tell Uriah when he must face him (compare2) some day... and too David paid an expensive price, so did Amalek, Pharaoh, Herod, those that murdered Jesus, and any entity who dares to touch any of God's friends.'

   (compare1) JUDGEMENT DAY -Rev 20

  
  

  to be resurrected right alongside your captors????(compare2) What possible incentive is that to be faithful?????
  
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  Another generation....

  by joey jojo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

  the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

  the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

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  Fisherman

  I don't know if this helps or not, but at a personal level, I don't think a system where all offenses, great and small ultimately carry the same penalty is very satisfying from the standpoint of justice either. -TD

  Does It seems to you that the righteous receive a reward: the resurrection?
  

  Does it also seem to you that by the same token the unrighteous receive a reward -the resurrection?