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  JW's pressed the rain down in Ukraine

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  jw brothersasamblea en ucrania 7.712 aguantando la lluvia que buen ejemplo para nosotros!

  !que gran ejemplo y aguante!.

  would you sit under torrential rain out in the open during a convention?.

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  Would you sit under torrential rain out in the open during a convention?

  I have.
  
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  Another generation....

  by joey jojo in

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  it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

  the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

  the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

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  Word Games -TD
  

  That is what interpreting God's Word is all about, words, what do they mean, how do they apply, how do they tie in with other words, and so on.

  Generation, Great Crowd, et al.

  A great crowd does survive the great tribulation and never dies regardless of wt interpretation on it and Jesus did say that his words will never pass away and there is a Bible message about human salvation, etc. WT theology fits. In terms of the generation and time of the end and wt interpretation of the Olivette as wt applies it to 1914 and its generation, the only thing that wt says is missing is the disgusting thing. But in terms of generation length, I agree with TD, wt still holds on to the old generation teaching until wt changes great crowd doctrine. REgarding their explanation of the 2nd group of anointed, as I explained in my previous post, the only ones of that group that qualify are those guys of the same age as the great crowd -Sure Wt knows all that.
  
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  Another generation....

  by joey jojo in

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  2. experiences

  it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

  the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

  the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

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  Because the anointed are the wt generation, they are supposed to pass away, Prologos
  

  Given: WT theology

  They do, wt always taught that rapture means passing way in the twinkling of an eye  AFTER they see the final part of the sign. But the destruction is not the sign or part of the sign. The destruction is what the sign points to.

  It is the OS, prospective members of the GC, a constantly overlapping generation ,

  The great crowd of other sheep cannot interlap. First of all, they do not pass away, they survive, and second of all, each dude as an individual expects life in his lifespan which means that the oldest gc member should not be destined to die of old age.

  It is all Greek to me sort of speak, but the way I interpret "...generation not passing away until.." simply means that the prophecy in its entirety should fulfill in 70-100 or so years or the maximum lifespan of anyone living at that time. WT overlapping doctrine only adds 20 years. 2016, time is up.............................
  
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  Another generation....

  by joey jojo in

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  it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

  the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

  the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

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  they are not seeing "all these things that are destined to occur". Prologos
  

  Interesting Prologos! I did not see this part of your post, just noticed it. Thank you!
  

  Given WT theology

  The "anointed" that saw the beginning of the sign in 1914 are believed to be all dead. They did not get to see all of the sign, (disgusting thing.)

  AS for the "second group," they do see the final part of the sign. The destruction is not part of the sign. But since they did not see the first part of the sign, they did not see all of the sign in its entirety.

  If Jesus meant that those old guys ("anointed") that were around in 1914 would see the final part of the sign, (from the planet earth before passing away) I do not see it.
  

   
  
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  Another generation....

  by joey jojo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

  the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

  the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

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  Thank you for you enlightenment

  My post was not intended to enlighten you. One does not become enlightened from others, one can learn from others though. But proof, evidence than can be verified, comes from God. That evidence that I refer to is God's Holy Spirit that trumps. If you do not see it, I cannot show it you because it is God that enlightens a person.
  
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  Another generation....

  by joey jojo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

  the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

  the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

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  i wasn't asking for you to give me evidence I was asking for you to explain what the evidence would or could be?

  maybe an example?

  Sorry I did not see your previous post stated above.
  

  
  

  I posted previously that JW are personally convinced. Not from examples or hearsay or enlightenment from others. But as I stated before, that has nothing to do with the academic structure of wt generation theology which I am posting about. And what I mean by convinced does not mean that wt theology is error free or understanding exactly the truth -but that God's Holy Spirit trumps.
  
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  Another generation....

  by joey jojo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

  the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

  the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

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  Fisherman

  Sometimes I make a change in my post before posting it but the amended post does not post through.

   I just read some of my posts and I noticed that before I posted them I made some changes but they did not post through.

  Unrelated to the substance of our discussion UC
  

  
  
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  Another generation....

  by joey jojo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

  the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

  the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

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  Fisherman

  evidence is from God not from me.
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  Another generation....

  by joey jojo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

  the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

  the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

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  Fisherman

  Which I have to say I find difficult to see as 'faith is assured expectation of the things hoped for"

  That is another topic. What I was alluding to is evidence from God which does not require faith, it establishes it.
  
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  Another generation....

  by joey jojo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

  the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

  the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

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  Fisherman

  so, after these things have occurred it will pass away, and it has, _Prologos

  Given: wt theology
  

  The wt teaches that it has not until the disgusting thing standing in a holy place appears.

  not pass away "until all these things occur",

  Does that mean that if the disgusting thing causing desolation does not show up until 240 years from now the generation should pass away at that time?

  It does not appear that the word "until" modifies the length of generation so it does not matter what actually happens to "generation" after all the things occur. The point is that all these things WILL occur before "this generation" passes away, hence, there is a time limit that governs all these things happening.

  But if you want use the word "until" to dictate when it is ok for generation to pass away, 1914  generation has not and cannot pass away until the appearance of the disgusting thing -after that it is free to die.