Posts by Fisherman

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Another generation....

by joey jojo in

it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

Prologos, your passing away of generation perspective entriched my whole view of the prophecy because it adds another possible limiting factor to its fulfillment. I had never thought in those terms before but always asunmed that "will not pass away" only meant that the related entity (generation) would not die of old age, but your dimenson puts another spin on it.

I never knew your position on the Bible, etc until now as you reveal it in your post Now I know where you stand.

I can say with certainty that God exists, angels, and that there is something more than scientific realism I can also say with certainty if I was testifying in Court that God's Holy spirit is operative on the wt, preaching etc. I have not seen that on any other entity except in connection with JW.

What everything means in terms of Paradise earth, the anointed, 1914 what I will experience if die, , the Bible, etc. are only conclusions, beliefs from interpretations. I figure that WT theology is correct in doctrine and substance and since they candidly admit that God does not communicate with wt as he spoke with Moses for example or how Jesus spoke with his Apostles, wt interpretations are not certain. But since God's HS points to the wt, I must go along with it and that is my position. Inspite of that, one cannot go around teaching that the universe is 7000 years old or that God created the universe in 7 x 1000 year long days(including his sabbath) in light of the facts that it is billions of years old. And that is what this discussion is about and my posts are from such position. Beliefs must have a basis, they do not stand on their own and they should not contradict.

I was speaking to someone trying to dictate his beliefs to me and he told me that Adan and Eve were in heaven. I said: "You mean they got animals in heaven?" He said; "No, why do ask?".........pointless. And some people just want to win an argument. An academic, forensic discussion is not about that or resorting to God told me so, anyone can make that claim, I know.

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Another generation....

by joey jojo in

it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

Fisherman

It seems to me fisherman you are saying that as witnesses in this court it doesn't matter what they say, if its true or

A witness in a Court of law testifies to what he knows is true, (things that he has struck with a hammer and measured with a ruler, such as the angels and God's Holy Spirit) and about things that he believes to be true (conclusions.) All of his testimony is true as far as he knows unless he is intentionally lying.

not its who is backing them that is important

Yes, there is something more than meets the eye about the watchtower and its message. I likened it in another post to the dance of death between Charles Bronson and Henry Fonda in the movie, Once Upon a Time in the West. Henry Fonda came to a realization knowing what it was all about before he was killed. JW have already come to the realization, they see but cannot explain the color red to a blind man sort of speak. Every man on earth must come to the same realization, be it now, be it at the point of dying or be it after they are resurrected and and face the triumphant resurrected righteous and the victorious great crowd. But that is only my belief.

sort of if you don't like it take it up with my big brother

No, the wt responds to respectful letters containing academic questions. Some people do like the wt answers but the answers they give are valid. That is how they see it. You dont have to agree or like what they believe.

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Another generation....

by joey jojo in

it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

Fisherman

So, too, with our generation in this twentieth century. After all that we have gone through since 1914, our generation would be, of all generations, the "most to be pitied".
Think of it, though! Worthy ones of this generation of mankind will be saved alive out of the rest of this world distress so as to survive the worst of it and enter into God's Messianic new system of things and not need a resurrection from the dead to life on earth! This is a valid hope well founded on what was said by Jesus Christ..."

and witnessing/preaching is in a courtroom setting hence the truth, witnesses/ the 'mouthpiece and active agent of Jehovah' I find it difficult to see how

The wt knows that their expectations relating to the 1914 generation in terms of time were incorrect (more than once) The substance of the kingdom message though, which brings hope to mankind that they preach about and advocate is correct and true based upon the Bible. They have been off by timing but not by doctrine. They have published that HS enlightens their understanding progressively but not like the prophets of old or inspired writers like Paul. You do not see it and neither does TD.

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Another generation....

by joey jojo in

it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

Fisherman

I need to stop posting this sort of post.

Why? It is interesting. You do not resort to logical fallacies or intentional obfuscations and diversions and what you post contributes to the substance of the thread.

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Another generation....

by joey jojo in

it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

Fisherman

Prologos

(Matthew 24:32-35) 32 “Now learn this illustration from the fig tree: Just as soon as its young branch grows tender and sprouts its leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 Likewise also you, when you see all these things, know that he is near at the doors. 34 Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away.

Again, there appears to be difference between the sign and the destruction that follows.

*** w15 8/15 p. 15 par. 7 Keep in Expectation! ***
*** w14 1/15 p. 31 par. 16 “Let Your Kingdom Come”—But When? ***
Yet, Jesus’ words at Matthew 24:34 give us confidence that at least some of “this generation will by no means pass away” before seeing the start of the great tribulation. This should add to our conviction that little time remains before the King of God’s Kingdom acts to destroy the wicked and usher in a righteous new world.—2 Pet. 3:13.

*** w14 1/15 p. 31 par. 16 “Let Your Kingdom Come”—But When? ***
The second group included in “this generation” are anointed contemporaries of the first group. They were not simply alive during the lifetime of those in the first group, but they were anointed with holy spirit during the time that those of the first group were still on earth.

According to the above wt, the oldest anointed of the second group that qualifies must have been born about 20 years AFTER 1914 to be an anointed contemporary of the first group. The wt and all jw are all in: that everything converges within a year or so. However, there is a safety valve in the wt defining generation above, younger anointed born after 1934 also qualify. But as TD poetically mentioned, there are inherent features in the prophecy that limit length of generation one of which is the great crowd.

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Another generation....

by joey jojo in

it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

Fisherman

The anointed can not be the generation Jesus talked about. it is resolved!

They can. I am not convinced. I am not saying that they are for sure.

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Another generation....

by joey jojo in

it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

Fisherman

Will not pass way until all these things occur-the sign.

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Another generation....

by joey jojo in

it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

Fisherman

It is very disappointing IF no one is alive when the disgusting thing appears who also saw the sign in 1914 who therefore witnesses ALL OF THE SIGN. But it aint how I see it. It is all greek to me.

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Another generation....

by joey jojo in

it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

Fisherman

before all would happen,

I already posted a POSSIBLE interpretation that disproves your theory. the GT is not part of the sign ponting to it. THat explains why Wt teaches that the anointed pass away before the bird food.

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Another generation....

by joey jojo in

it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

Fisherman

Keep in mind what TD pointed out. At the Olivette, there were no Great crowd or OS. The only calling back then was the heavenly.. In 70CE the generation was 70 years after JC birth. In antitypicall fulfilments there are no written rules that they must follow exctaly the same pattern.

It does not seem to me that Jeus meant that the GC would not pass way. He said not pass away UNTIL. WT teaches that the anointed as an interlapping class would not die until the disgusting thing THEN They die, That is what the WT is saying -seems to me- and that is the only word that fits in the crossword puzzle. IT cannot be the gc because they do not pass away (die from old age or whatever) howver, again as TD points out, the age of the gc regulates the length of generation, he uses the term siamese twins to join the anointed and gc.AS I stated before, the only answer that makes sense at this point is any living human alive circa 1914- ok give it 10 or 20 years, which brings us to NOW, 2016-2017. but there must be anyone at all even 2 people like Joshuah and Caleb prospective(only for conduct) GC from the time the clock started ticking as TD points out. At this point for the WT and JW is wait and see iif something must hit now or in one year but the cut off date is the death of all original GC. REmember those old guys? Some of those guys should be still around along with some anointed. Albeit wt theology on generation is still valid until ALL those old guy are dead. If that happens, wt will need to adjust the interpretation BIG on 1914 generation.