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  Confusing Opinions with Facts

  by cofty in

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  in a discussion about the best flavour of ice cream everybody's opinion is equally valid.. in a discussion about the shape of the earth or the origin of species everybody's opinion is equally irrelevant.

  only objective facts and evidence matter.. confusing these two categories is a common feature of conversations in this forum.

  people deserve respect, errors do not..

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  Fisherman

  Anders Andersen Than you for your kind rsepsonse to my post.
  

  It's well established that eyewitnesses in court rooms are highly unreliable. Without evidence to back up their claims, I would hesitate to just accept the testimony of an eyewitness, especially in a confusing case with high stakes. (There is no verifiable or measurable evidence Jehovah or any other gods exist)

  The point that I was trying to show is that a knower of a fact knows the fact and such known fact to him does not change from being a fact because he cannot prove it to others or because others do not believe him or because he does not know the difference between fact and belief or because he does not know the difference between believing something is a fact or he actually struck a rock with hammer. A person can know facts that others do not ( "You do not know all of the facts,"-for example)

  "A fact is something that truly exists or happens or something that has actual existence." It is not contingent upon being believed or proven.

  Case in point: It is a fact that a man was eating hot dog in a Chinese restaurant in the US at the exact time a crime was committed at another location, fact is he did not do it but only he knows this fact and he cannot prove it..The man is accused of the crime and no one believes his story, the evidence proves him guilty inspite of the fact that he was not even at the location where the crime took place at the time the crime was taking place. The truth is that the man is innocent but everyone is convinced from the evidence that the man is guilty. Anyway, the man knows he dd not do it, also, if you want proof of God's existence, order a hot dog. (Just kidding.)

  
  
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  Does the governing body know what they are doing?

  by Gefangene in

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  what do you guys think?.

  are they only some uber religious zealots or do they pursue hidden agendas beyond religiosity?.

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  Are they only some uber religious zealots or do they pursue hidden agendas beyond religiosity?

  No.
  
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  The Ray Franz Saga

  by snugglebunny in

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  i'm just curious as to how it all happened.. to explain.

  many years back, before ex-jw websites, i called on a local lady in order to design an extension to her already enormous house.

  she was a young, voluptuous gal, married to a much older local business man who spared little expense in order to give his young wife whatever her heart desired.. we chatted for ages.

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  If you haven't realized by now that the WTS -vid

  It ain't about the wt, there is something more that validates the wt, HS. But that is another subject matter. My previous response to your post meant that you can only invalidate wt Bible translations and doctrines with those you knew were correct.
  
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  Confusing Opinions with Facts

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a discussion about the best flavour of ice cream everybody's opinion is equally valid.. in a discussion about the shape of the earth or the origin of species everybody's opinion is equally irrelevant.

  only objective facts and evidence matter.. confusing these two categories is a common feature of conversations in this forum.

  people deserve respect, errors do not..

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  Fisherman

  So, in a discussion where the subject matter is science, for example:the topic of gravity in the field of physics, scientific facts, and interpretations (opinions) of facts ( for example Einsteins theory of gravity) should be considered as the only variables in the discussion such as in solving for one of the variables in the posted equation. But when God is invoked in any discussion, the realm of evidence is not limited to scientific fact and scientific realism and that is because there exists a difference between science and truth.
  

  Also, there exists a difference between scientific fact (to be distinguished from pseudo science such as Krausses philosophy of science) and plain old fact which need not be qualified by scientific, for example, an event in history, or if a person witnesses something that happened and is asked to testify in Court about what that person knows is a true or fact-which is not an opinion, the existence of Jehovah for instance.

  But, in a scientific Court room sort of speak, only scientific facts and interpretations matter and such continue scientifically valid until falsified only with verifiable and objective evidence (which is the definition of scientific fact)

  I will point out this flaw: While there exists an inherent mechanism in living organisms that is observable, and predictable causing physiological change, such process is not evidence that humans evolved from simpler life forms although such scientific opinion considers it to be fact by a majority,
  

  THis thread is not about discussing evolution, that is what cofty's other related posts are all about. This thread is about the confusion between scientific fact (verifiable objective evidence) and opinion (not scientific interpretations- or "explanations" as sheepless puts it- such as evolution)

  Scientific laws, Newton's law of Universal gravitation for example are indisputable while scientific explanations such as evolution is. My question to those that equate the theory of gravity with the theory of evolution is how and why are they equal in terms of probability?

  Sorry for any error, trying to be open minded, sometimes it is late here 3 am or jsut mentally exxausted, It is evident that I do not cut and paste and I do not emulate the ideas of others. Sometimes by views correspond with existing facts and sometimes I need to be "enlightened" with facts but I try to be opened minded.
  
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  Confusing Opinions with Facts

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a discussion about the best flavour of ice cream everybody's opinion is equally valid.. in a discussion about the shape of the earth or the origin of species everybody's opinion is equally irrelevant.

  only objective facts and evidence matter.. confusing these two categories is a common feature of conversations in this forum.

  people deserve respect, errors do not..

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  Fisherman

  small g( F sub g) is directly proportional to:
  
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  Confusing Opinions with Facts

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a discussion about the best flavour of ice cream everybody's opinion is equally valid.. in a discussion about the shape of the earth or the origin of species everybody's opinion is equally irrelevant.

  only objective facts and evidence matter.. confusing these two categories is a common feature of conversations in this forum.

  people deserve respect, errors do not..

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  Fisherman

  

  Thank you for posting that equation shepherdless. It reminds me of physics 101. The way we learned it though was : G= m1*m2/d squared (d being the distance between the centers of each object, if I recall ancient history) Even back then my theory was that there must be be a relationship between all matter in the universe no matter the distance. I also wondered if the the same  relationship existed in quantum condition and if somehow it failed or changed under certain distances. Could not figure it out back then. I learned more about physics later on. -Guess what "gravity" is or call it what you like, the relationship in the related equation exists, it is not an opinion.
  
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  RUSSIA: Jehovah's Witnesses face possible liquidation

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2181.

  24 may 2016. russia: jehovah's witnesses face possible liquidation.

  by victoria arnold, forum 18. if prosecutors proceed with their threat to liquidate the jehovah's witness headquarters near st petersburg, thousands of local congregations across russia could also face prohibition of their activities and individuals could be vulnerable to criminal charges for expressing their beliefs, forum 18 notes.. the jehovah's witnesses' principal body in russia is under threat of dissolution as an "extremist" organisation after the deadline in an official warning from the general prosecutor's office expired on 10 may, forum 18 notes.

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  Fisherman

  Um... what???

  IN other words, you equate millions and millions of JW that disagree with DJS with the millions concluded that the earth was flat.

  Their teachings and behaviors destroy families and rob individuals of personal conscience, freedom of choice, dreams, hopes, aspirations and ambitions. Their shunning policy and discouraging education create a strain on government resources, not to mention failing to contribute to the greater good of social and economic improvement. (in reference to JW)

  Again, I strongly disagree and so do millions of JW!! They feel that: Their families are not destroyed, they profess to enjoy a clean conscience, they are happy with their choice to be JW and no regrets and would make the same choice again, they strive to be honest productive members of society. And they don't retaliate vindictively or use political power to go after other religions or other entities that make trouble for them -they trust God for justice. Of course, you cannot please everybody and people leave JW, some after gazing at the temporary pleasures the world has to offer, others get angry at jw.

  Nothing in DJS commentary shows or establishes any extremism different from other religions that is practiced by jw that the Russians or anybody else should go after wt and stop them from enjoying their freedom of worship in-spite of the posted colorful hatred and ill will towards wt. The opposite is true,WT does not hate anybody or tries to stop anybody and does not resort to framing trouble by decree or use the government to stop what goes against wt teaching such as other BABYLONISH religions, abortion, homosexuality, etc.

  I am sure DJS has his reasons for resentment towards wt but millions of other jws support wt and they feel that you believe the earth is flat or the center of the universe -whatever you wish to be true- and they disagree with your side.
  
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  Confusing Opinions with Facts

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a discussion about the best flavour of ice cream everybody's opinion is equally valid.. in a discussion about the shape of the earth or the origin of species everybody's opinion is equally irrelevant.

  only objective facts and evidence matter.. confusing these two categories is a common feature of conversations in this forum.

  people deserve respect, errors do not..

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  Fisherman

  Only objective facts and evidence matter. cofty
  

  The flaw in your all of your arguments, cofty, is that you equate conclusions derived from evidence (for example, your idolized theory of evolution) with fact, confusing them.
  
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  The Ray Franz Saga

  by snugglebunny in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm just curious as to how it all happened.. to explain.

  many years back, before ex-jw websites, i called on a local lady in order to design an extension to her already enormous house.

  she was a young, voluptuous gal, married to a much older local business man who spared little expense in order to give his young wife whatever her heart desired.. we chatted for ages.

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  ..in a way that supports WT doctrine. -Vid
  

  How would you know unless if you knew what the Bible says to compare with wt interpretation of the Bible? And if you don't know, then it is all Greek to you, no?
  
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  A Comment by Lieu Made It Obvious That I Could Not Be A JW in 2016

  by TMS in

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  2. beliefs

  the following comment by lieu on another topic shows me that i would be totally frustrated, actually exasperated, stifled and depressed in the modern form of jwdom: "therein lies the real problem billy, no one is paying any attention at regular meetings let alone conventions.

  it's too boring, intentionally i think.

  humans aren't hardwired to sit through hours of lecture with no interactions.

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  TMS. "Not everything is at seems." There is more to JW meetings and practice than what appears to be.