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  Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  i don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.

  they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.

  but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.

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  that the message had changed from preaching the good news to a judgement one.

  Any scriptural basis referenced for that commentary?

  What good does a judgment message accomplish if people cannot choose to repent?
  
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  How Long Does This Religion Have Left?

  by pale.emperor in

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  the generation that will be no means pass away have passed away.. the 144,000 were sealed up in 1935, oh, no wait, we got that wrong, we still have some.. russel is the faithful and wise servant... oh, no he wasn't it was me, rutherford... no, actually, we got that wrong it's knorr... erm, no we mean the governing body.. shunning is pagan, true christians would never do that (1946)... oh, actually, we should do that too.. the revelation book has been re-written.. the un is the satan's visible organisation.. wtbs signs up for fellowship with the un in 1991.. exposed in the guardian newspaper so ends it's fellowship in 2001.. the greatest man book is now obsolete and replaced with another jesus book.. the mags are reduced in pages.. encouraged to use tablets instead of actual books to save paper (money).

  halls being sold off.. congregations sharing halls.. society owned buildings being sold off.. video pertitioning for money only last year to fund a new building.. bethelites reduced.. missionaries sent back home.. young members leaving.. long time members discovering the history and leaving.. how long do you think this religion has left?

  i cant see it being here in another 100 years.

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  How long does Babylon the Great have left? In some jurisdictions in the US, it has been exposed that governmental officials are lackeys of religious groups. It is my opinion that the wt will live long enough to bury Babylon the Great.
  
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  Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.

  they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.

  but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.

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  The destruction of Babylon the Great preceded by the disgusting thing is a prerequisite -or no gt.
  
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  Confusing Opinions with Facts

  by cofty in

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  in a discussion about the best flavour of ice cream everybody's opinion is equally valid.. in a discussion about the shape of the earth or the origin of species everybody's opinion is equally irrelevant.

  only objective facts and evidence matter.. confusing these two categories is a common feature of conversations in this forum.

  people deserve respect, errors do not..

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  SBF: I cannot say that I (always) agree with you opinions but I must confess that not only do I enjoy your posts but it is my opinion that your posts on each thread always enrich the discussion by adding substance, dimension, perspective and depth to it. It is also my opinion that the information that you post is worth reading and contributes to the educational value of this Forum.Thank you.-Fisherman
  
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  Confusing Opinions with Facts

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a discussion about the best flavour of ice cream everybody's opinion is equally valid.. in a discussion about the shape of the earth or the origin of species everybody's opinion is equally irrelevant.

  only objective facts and evidence matter.. confusing these two categories is a common feature of conversations in this forum.

  people deserve respect, errors do not..

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  As for the possible (non)existence of any gods: we'll presume innocence until proven guilty. Thus, until any gods' existence is proven at least somewhat beyond reasonable doubt, we must assume there are none.

  I believe that I have shown. that truth does change because it cannot be proven. It continues to exist as truth believe it or not and free from any evidence.
  
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  The Ray Franz Saga

  by snugglebunny in

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  2. friends

  i'm just curious as to how it all happened.. to explain.

  many years back, before ex-jw websites, i called on a local lady in order to design an extension to her already enormous house.

  she was a young, voluptuous gal, married to a much older local business man who spared little expense in order to give his young wife whatever her heart desired.. we chatted for ages.

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  There were all sorts of rumors and lies that were being spread around about him.

  How do you know?

  The Watchtower should have published the truth about the situation rather than let lies be spread.

  Why? Who says so?
  

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  'Fisherman TMS, It would not be fair to RF to publish anything more about his case than what is publicly known without him being around to defend any claims and I am not saying that there is anything more because even implying it would not be fair to the man'

  What I meant in the statement above that you quoted, simply put: The man is dead and cannot defend himself of any additional allegations against him even if they were true. It is unfair to defame the man with any more accusations against him other than discussing the publicly known allegations about his case -but all of the facts about his case are not known by the public.

  RF went public and by doing that he broke the rules that he subscribed to when he joined jw.
  
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  Confusing Opinions with Facts

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a discussion about the best flavour of ice cream everybody's opinion is equally valid.. in a discussion about the shape of the earth or the origin of species everybody's opinion is equally irrelevant.

  only objective facts and evidence matter.. confusing these two categories is a common feature of conversations in this forum.

  people deserve respect, errors do not..

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  In my story, try proving with evidence to the man eating a hot dog in a Chinese restaurant that he committed the crime
  
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  The Ray Franz Saga

  by snugglebunny in

  1. jw
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  i'm just curious as to how it all happened.. to explain.

  many years back, before ex-jw websites, i called on a local lady in order to design an extension to her already enormous house.

  she was a young, voluptuous gal, married to a much older local business man who spared little expense in order to give his young wife whatever her heart desired.. we chatted for ages.

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  TMS, It would not be fair to RF to publish anything more about his case than what is publicly known without him being around to defend any claims and I am not saying that there is anything more because even implying it would not be fair to the man. He published his version of what happened and of course he knew what actually happened as well as others that also knew.

  IT is true though what you are saying about these groups in Bethel and besides that, teachings were being published through in the wt that were not agreed upon and sometimes subtly, and that is a brazen thing to do (not that RF had anything to do with it but someone did.) I GUESS: I will say this that he did not agree with more powerful GB and he firmly believed in going in a certain direction and he was sternly opposed and he held his position and his view and acted upon it probably figuring it was his duty and I aslo guess that he figured that God would back him up (I already posted something like this previoualy) .
  
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  Confusing Opinions with Facts

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in a discussion about the best flavour of ice cream everybody's opinion is equally valid.. in a discussion about the shape of the earth or the origin of species everybody's opinion is equally irrelevant.

  only objective facts and evidence matter.. confusing these two categories is a common feature of conversations in this forum.

  people deserve respect, errors do not..

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  Anders Andersen Than you for your kind rsepsonse to my post.
  

  It's well established that eyewitnesses in court rooms are highly unreliable. Without evidence to back up their claims, I would hesitate to just accept the testimony of an eyewitness, especially in a confusing case with high stakes. (There is no verifiable or measurable evidence Jehovah or any other gods exist)

  The point that I was trying to show is that a knower of a fact knows the fact and such known fact to him does not change from being a fact because he cannot prove it to others or because others do not believe him or because he does not know the difference between fact and belief or because he does not know the difference between believing something is a fact or he actually struck a rock with hammer. A person can know facts that others do not ( "You do not know all of the facts,"-for example)

  "A fact is something that truly exists or happens or something that has actual existence." It is not contingent upon being believed or proven.

  Case in point: It is a fact that a man was eating hot dog in a Chinese restaurant in the US at the exact time a crime was committed at another location, fact is he did not do it but only he knows this fact and he cannot prove it..The man is accused of the crime and no one believes his story, the evidence proves him guilty inspite of the fact that he was not even at the location where the crime took place at the time the crime was taking place. The truth is that the man is innocent but everyone is convinced from the evidence that the man is guilty. Anyway, the man knows he dd not do it, also, if you want proof of God's existence, order a hot dog. (Just kidding.)

  
  
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  Does the governing body know what they are doing?

  by Gefangene in

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  what do you guys think?.

  are they only some uber religious zealots or do they pursue hidden agendas beyond religiosity?.

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  Are they only some uber religious zealots or do they pursue hidden agendas beyond religiosity?

  No.