Posts by Fisherman

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Why are some that post here JW apologists?

by ctrwtf in

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friends

my rant tonight is against the quasi religious apologists that post on this board.

those who at once rail against the jw's then later talk about how "orderly" and "neat" the witnesses are at their conventions.

those who site the benefits of bloodless surgery to some who have the luxury and time to actually make an educated choice, while ignoring the tens of thousands who've died because they happen to be in an accident or succumb to a disease for which there is no other treatment.. i understand the power of cognitive dissonance.

Fisherman

But why, under any circumstance, would you want to lend any credence whatsoever to an evil cult?

Angry words. Sounds like you want to get em! But what about the harm that Babylon the Great cult has done through out the centuries and even now -with their political lovers. JW can never be accused of that. As for Babylonians, Caesar ships them out and spills their their blood or pumps gallons of blood into them. Not so with JW. JW went down in history as among the greatest freedom fighters in the US ever (if not number 1), and wining more cases in the US Supreme Court than any other entity in US history, hardly a cult! and bloodless surgery is better than bloody blood. And JW training in analytical thinking and reading in the KH is better than Yeshiva and University and besides that proof is that God's Holy Spirit backs JW and that is what I would think even if I was angry with JW. 100 years of triumphant victory all over the earth....-except now that since JW core doctrine is based upon 1914, if God does not come to jw rescue, JW 1914 teachings will fall apart. But it ain't over until the fat lady sings and it ain't up to jw to predict the gt but on God to make JW predictions come true. Using up all dates after and including 1914, it truly is the end now for jw. Anyway, besides the hate towards jw, they aint evil and they aint a cult, anyone that was a jw can testify to that. Bizarre rituals of major religions are more cult like than the Bible learning at the KH, and the morality rules etc. of JW.

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The Greatest Intellectual Scam of All-Time: French Postmodernism

by cofty in

sbf you annoyed me enough to deserve this.. gad saad's comments on the nonsensical gibberish of jacques derrida, michel foucault, and jacques lacan.

charlatanism of the highest order.

.... the first quote from derrida starts as 2:50.

Fisherman

sbf, thanks for the link.

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The Greatest Intellectual Scam of All-Time: French Postmodernism

by cofty in

sbf you annoyed me enough to deserve this.. gad saad's comments on the nonsensical gibberish of jacques derrida, michel foucault, and jacques lacan.

charlatanism of the highest order.

.... the first quote from derrida starts as 2:50.

Fisherman

For example someone might say:
The light of the moon is shining brightly tonight.
And a physicist might respond:
Actually the moon is not a source of light, it is reflecting light emitted by the sun.

Whether that response is pedantic, helpful, playful, annoying or whatever probably depends on a complex set contextual considerations. But whatever the intent or reception, it is nevertheless a meaningful distinction that is being made.

Is it your opinion then that since the moon's light is derived that the earths shape could also turn out to be illusory?

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Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?

by OnTheWayOut in

i don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.

they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.

but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.

Fisherman

This will not be the time to preach the “good news of the Kingdom.

Yes, the article says that AFTER the attack on religion happens, such attack marks the great tribulation, so the preaching continues until such time. Thanks for the supporting scripture that I requested to see the basis from.

Thanks for the article. There is a point there which states that the attack is also upon the wt and because the days are cut short on account of the chosen ones, (cutting short means that the wt escapes. as it plays out) the wt is not destroyed along with BTH-but the wt is still attacked together with her.

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How Long Does This Religion Have Left?

by pale.emperor in

the generation that will be no means pass away have passed away.. the 144,000 were sealed up in 1935, oh, no wait, we got that wrong, we still have some.. russel is the faithful and wise servant... oh, no he wasn't it was me, rutherford... no, actually, we got that wrong it's knorr... erm, no we mean the governing body.. shunning is pagan, true christians would never do that (1946)... oh, actually, we should do that too.. the revelation book has been re-written.. the un is the satan's visible organisation.. wtbs signs up for fellowship with the un in 1991.. exposed in the guardian newspaper so ends it's fellowship in 2001.. the greatest man book is now obsolete and replaced with another jesus book.. the mags are reduced in pages.. encouraged to use tablets instead of actual books to save paper (money).

halls being sold off.. congregations sharing halls.. society owned buildings being sold off.. video pertitioning for money only last year to fund a new building.. bethelites reduced.. missionaries sent back home.. young members leaving.. long time members discovering the history and leaving.. how long do you think this religion has left?

i cant see it being here in another 100 years.

Fisherman

wt continues to proclaim that they will see caesar cease to exist.

Joel 3:9,10

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The Ray Franz Saga

by snugglebunny in

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friends

i'm just curious as to how it all happened.. to explain.

many years back, before ex-jw websites, i called on a local lady in order to design an extension to her already enormous house.

she was a young, voluptuous gal, married to a much older local business man who spared little expense in order to give his young wife whatever her heart desired.. we chatted for ages.

Fisherman

What rules are these that he subscribed to when he joined?

God's kingdom rules. Wt is God's org and Jesus is the invisible ruler. When a person becomes a jw he subscribes to ALL jw rules. As an elder and an gb member, RF was no novist at the terms of jw membership, he knew them very well for many many years and expected performance of them by fellow jw- but he excused himself by claiming he had a duty- a crisis of conscience-violating trust and confidentiality, etc.

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Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?

by OnTheWayOut in

i don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.

they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.

but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.

Fisherman

that the message had changed from preaching the good news to a judgement one.

Any scriptural basis referenced for that commentary?

What good does a judgment message accomplish if people cannot choose to repent?

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How Long Does This Religion Have Left?

by pale.emperor in

the generation that will be no means pass away have passed away.. the 144,000 were sealed up in 1935, oh, no wait, we got that wrong, we still have some.. russel is the faithful and wise servant... oh, no he wasn't it was me, rutherford... no, actually, we got that wrong it's knorr... erm, no we mean the governing body.. shunning is pagan, true christians would never do that (1946)... oh, actually, we should do that too.. the revelation book has been re-written.. the un is the satan's visible organisation.. wtbs signs up for fellowship with the un in 1991.. exposed in the guardian newspaper so ends it's fellowship in 2001.. the greatest man book is now obsolete and replaced with another jesus book.. the mags are reduced in pages.. encouraged to use tablets instead of actual books to save paper (money).

halls being sold off.. congregations sharing halls.. society owned buildings being sold off.. video pertitioning for money only last year to fund a new building.. bethelites reduced.. missionaries sent back home.. young members leaving.. long time members discovering the history and leaving.. how long do you think this religion has left?

i cant see it being here in another 100 years.

Fisherman

How long does Babylon the Great have left? In some jurisdictions in the US, it has been exposed that governmental officials are lackeys of religious groups. It is my opinion that the wt will live long enough to bury Babylon the Great.

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Is it Time to Declare that The Great Tribulation Has Started ?

by OnTheWayOut in

i don't really engage in doctrinal discussions about jw's anymore.

they seem to say some pretty crazy stuff.

but i have read some threads discussing doctrinal changes and how watchtower is really out of ideas and money at the same time.

Fisherman

The destruction of Babylon the Great preceded by the disgusting thing is a prerequisite -or no gt.

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Confusing Opinions with Facts

by cofty in

in a discussion about the best flavour of ice cream everybody's opinion is equally valid.. in a discussion about the shape of the earth or the origin of species everybody's opinion is equally irrelevant.

only objective facts and evidence matter.. confusing these two categories is a common feature of conversations in this forum.

people deserve respect, errors do not..

Fisherman

SBF: I cannot say that I (always) agree with you opinions but I must confess that not only do I enjoy your posts but it is my opinion that your posts on each thread always enrich the discussion by adding substance, dimension, perspective and depth to it. It is also my opinion that the information that you post is worth reading and contributes to the educational value of this Forum.Thank you.-Fisherman