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  WTS investment in Ford-Werke - 1943

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  *thanks to reddit poster ahilexxx for this information*.

  the watchtower society was invested in the german branch of ford motor.

  in 1943, their investment was worth $597,595 ($8,363,677.95 in today's value - over 8 million!)..

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  invest in production of weapons for the Nazi army?

  It seems to me that it would not be proper for God's Organization to voluntarily give money to someone to be used for the exclusive purpose of producing objects to be used in warfare- but it has not been shown that the wt actually did that. Case in point: The wt receives contributions of such like stocks or the wt made an investment in a company that at the time of the investment was not involved in the production of weapons.

  So: no connection between Watchtower and Ford, except they are on the same list
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  WTS investment in Ford-Werke - 1943

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  *thanks to reddit poster ahilexxx for this information*.

  the watchtower society was invested in the german branch of ford motor.

  in 1943, their investment was worth $597,595 ($8,363,677.95 in today's value - over 8 million!)..

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  WT movement is about advertising the kingdom (math 24:14) AS it turns out, it takes a lot of money to do that but CTR left his personal fortune to the WT and a lot of other people donate stocks and investments and non liquid assets- but besides the investments all consumption of the money goes to the world wide work and how the money is ultimately used is what matters to me and not because the wt makes money work to make more money.
  
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  Should I talk to elders?

  by Chook in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  the whole world is rigged, whether its religious tribunals or local police enforcement, those who are paid by god or government are the enforcers .

  should you talk to elders... well imagine that brooklyn had ordered these men to df anyone who says anything against the slave.

  do you stand a chance , religious zealots are the most ruthless throughout history, look into it , it's scary to think we believed a magazine that we thought came from god .

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  There is a difference between someone talking to you and you submitting to an interrogation. It is wise to always listen to anyone that wants to talk to you because at the very least, you could become informed of something important. Unless there is a legal or scriptural reason that forces you to answer questions, then the choice is up to you whether or not you wish to volunteer information.
  
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  Generation expiry date?

  by pleaseresearch in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how long will it take for a jw to see that even the overlapping generation is wrong?.

  the org waited and waited to see if their interpretation of it came true.

  those alive in 1914 would still be alive obviously it didn't and jws have to believe in an overlapping generation.

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  Outlaw, WT extrapolations are not based upon numerology and my guess about generation expiry date is based upon what seems to me is a reasonable limit and not numerology either.
  
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  JW marriages: “They” looked good on paper.

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i applaud anyone, male or female, who overcomes shallowness and looks at a person’s deeper qualities, especially in regard dating and marriage.

  the movie and fashion industry does much to institute shallowness to the point that, in my opinion, it promotes outright discrimination and judgmentalism even as they give lip service to tolerance..

  on the other hand, among jehovah’s witnesses, there seem to be a preponderance of incompatible marriages.

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  Show me your mother or show me your father and I'll tell you who you are.

  How true-intrinsically that is, but I have seen JW change a lot of that
  
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  Is this the last chance for inactive and df'd ones?

  by innerpeace in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi all, just wondering if there's anything going around about the elders receiving instruction from the society to give inactive ones and disfellowshipped ones one last chance to come back?

  i ask because i have a still in family member that i received a message from, and urging me to go back.

  the elders are apparently saying there is no time left.

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  Who knows?
  
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  JW marriages: “They” looked good on paper.

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i applaud anyone, male or female, who overcomes shallowness and looks at a person’s deeper qualities, especially in regard dating and marriage.

  the movie and fashion industry does much to institute shallowness to the point that, in my opinion, it promotes outright discrimination and judgmentalism even as they give lip service to tolerance..

  on the other hand, among jehovah’s witnesses, there seem to be a preponderance of incompatible marriages.

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  the main qualities that this environment promotes, in order to be of marriageable material, is:

  And if you ain't, should you be forced to stay single? I look for physical attractiveness first no matter how "marriageable" the person seems, but I suppose that if beauty is not your gift, you get another shot with your conduct and hours. I would not marry a woman for her money, her brains or spirituality-although it does not hurt if a woman has such virtues, but not for those reasons.
  
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  JW Stand On Concealed Carry

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if a jw wanted to get a concealed carry permit, would the society have any moral or ethical problems with it?

  in other words, if one of your elders noticed you were carrying concealed, would they be apt to just ignore it or would they counsel you on it?

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  carrying a gun for personal protection was a definite no-no.

  As I posted earlier, a JW packing circa 1982 triggered the WT to write an article about owning guns back then. Reading more recent articles it appears that wt position may have changed a bit, But true what you said prior to 1982 lot of JW owned guns for hunting animals, etc.
  
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  JW Stand On Concealed Carry

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if a jw wanted to get a concealed carry permit, would the society have any moral or ethical problems with it?

  in other words, if one of your elders noticed you were carrying concealed, would they be apt to just ignore it or would they counsel you on it?

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  Do you think more JWs have guns than is generally thought?

  No. Any individual can live a double life though, but it would be an exception.
  
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  Generation expiry date?

  by pleaseresearch in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how long will it take for a jw to see that even the overlapping generation is wrong?.

  the org waited and waited to see if their interpretation of it came true.

  those alive in 1914 would still be alive obviously it didn't and jws have to believe in an overlapping generation.

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  I'm confused at this point. Are you a WT loyalist/apologist (loyapologist? apoloyalist?) or not?

  Why and what are you confused about?