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  "The G.B. is neither inspired nor infallible"

  by smiddy in

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  that admission in the feb.17 ,study edition of the watchtower , " who is leading gods people today ?

  " "the governing body is neither inspired, nor infallible, therefore it (they/we) can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction .".

  have the many jehovahs witnesses past and present who have lost their lives by refusing blood transfusions due to the prohibition on blood tranfusions by jehovahs witnesses really got the sense of this statement ?.

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  Fisherman

  Nobody, including the majority of JW's even thinks about it anymore: IgG

  TD,

  I hear and understand what you are saying.
  
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  114

  "The G.B. is neither inspired nor infallible"

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  that admission in the feb.17 ,study edition of the watchtower , " who is leading gods people today ?

  " "the governing body is neither inspired, nor infallible, therefore it (they/we) can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction .".

  have the many jehovahs witnesses past and present who have lost their lives by refusing blood transfusions due to the prohibition on blood tranfusions by jehovahs witnesses really got the sense of this statement ?.

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  Fisherman

  My own mother gave up her life when she refused a BT -Fink

  Thank you for kindly posting that Fink.
  
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  114

  "The G.B. is neither inspired nor infallible"

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  that admission in the feb.17 ,study edition of the watchtower , " who is leading gods people today ?

  " "the governing body is neither inspired, nor infallible, therefore it (they/we) can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction .".

  have the many jehovahs witnesses past and present who have lost their lives by refusing blood transfusions due to the prohibition on blood tranfusions by jehovahs witnesses really got the sense of this statement ?.

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  Fisherman

  
  

  It is true that the Witnesses have made mistakes in their understanding
  of what would occur at the end of certain time periods. -Hecce
  

  "Doctrine," Aye, there is the rub!
  
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  114

  "The G.B. is neither inspired nor infallible"

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  that admission in the feb.17 ,study edition of the watchtower , " who is leading gods people today ?

  " "the governing body is neither inspired, nor infallible, therefore it (they/we) can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction .".

  have the many jehovahs witnesses past and present who have lost their lives by refusing blood transfusions due to the prohibition on blood tranfusions by jehovahs witnesses really got the sense of this statement ?.

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  Fisherman

  Is there any other possible conclusion? -TD

  I don't know. But what JW have concluded on their own regardless of what WT says is that WT is backed up by Almighty God. JW say that they know this for a fact. But I feel devastated to learn that someone actually has died because of adherence to WT erroneous doctrine.
  
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  114

  "The G.B. is neither inspired nor infallible"

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  that admission in the feb.17 ,study edition of the watchtower , " who is leading gods people today ?

  " "the governing body is neither inspired, nor infallible, therefore it (they/we) can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction .".

  have the many jehovahs witnesses past and present who have lost their lives by refusing blood transfusions due to the prohibition on blood tranfusions by jehovahs witnesses really got the sense of this statement ?.

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  Fisherman

  Smmidy, in the related article, the wt does not actually say that wt erred in doctrine, only that they can err in doctrine and then they direct the reader to a reference showing where WT has made adjustments on scriptural views and leaves it up to the reader to conclude.

  Also in the related article, wt makes gives no reference that WT erred in Blood , organ transplants or vaccines in the past.
  
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  114

  "The G.B. is neither inspired nor infallible"

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  that admission in the feb.17 ,study edition of the watchtower , " who is leading gods people today ?

  " "the governing body is neither inspired, nor infallible, therefore it (they/we) can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction .".

  have the many jehovahs witnesses past and present who have lost their lives by refusing blood transfusions due to the prohibition on blood tranfusions by jehovahs witnesses really got the sense of this statement ?.

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  Fisherman

  Fisherman; possession of a Malawi political card did not compromise a JW's neutrality as being in possession of it one was not favouring a particular political party,

  Hi Jookbeard! Thank you for your post directed at me.

  JB, you are welcome to believe that possession of a "Milawi political card " did not compromise JW neutrality as you see it (because Milawi was a one party state,) but WT disagrees with you. WT position at that time was that purchasing such card and what JW were subscribing to by doing so did violate JW religious beliefs. IT seems to me that it makes no difference how many Parties there are in a government but whether or not being part of any political party violates Christian neutrality.

  JW did not have a choice but be murdered, raped, tortured by Party members. Imagine that! And you want to blame WT for those atrocities?

  The wrong is not whether a person's religious beliefs are correct or but that people should not be savagely murdered and raped and tortured because of them.
  
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  114

  "The G.B. is neither inspired nor infallible"

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  that admission in the feb.17 ,study edition of the watchtower , " who is leading gods people today ?

  " "the governing body is neither inspired, nor infallible, therefore it (they/we) can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction .".

  have the many jehovahs witnesses past and present who have lost their lives by refusing blood transfusions due to the prohibition on blood tranfusions by jehovahs witnesses really got the sense of this statement ?.

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  Fisherman

  resulted in needless deaths, one of which I am personally familiar with.-TD

  TD, Are you you saying that you know for a fact of some person that has died as a result of adherence to a WTS "erroneous" doctrine?
  
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  114

  "The G.B. is neither inspired nor infallible"

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  that admission in the feb.17 ,study edition of the watchtower , " who is leading gods people today ?

  " "the governing body is neither inspired, nor infallible, therefore it (they/we) can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction .".

  have the many jehovahs witnesses past and present who have lost their lives by refusing blood transfusions due to the prohibition on blood tranfusions by jehovahs witnesses really got the sense of this statement ?.

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  Fisherman

  .....the topic of Malawi versus Mexico:
  

  I have already pointed out in my previous post that the Mexican "cartilla" was and is nothing more than proof of military service (training). Let me explain: Unlike the US, Mexico, and many countries worldwide require young men of military age to be "drafted" for a period of time, even during peace time -some countries required 4 years military peace time service /training (call it what you like)- for the purpose of receiving military training, so that such are ready for war -and if war happens to break out at the time of the service - as the saying goes- "You're in the army now!" In Mexico,there was no other way out other than paying the officials or be forced into the army (Korean JW today have no way out). Buying the Malawi political card was different as wt saw it because according to wt, doing so violated christian neutrality and there was no other way out other than only violating christian neutrality (as wt saw it) which involved becoming part of a political party, paying a fee and being issued the card. If Mexican JW were faced with Malawi circumstances, same would apply, so the WT standard is the same. (Paying a fee to circumvent going to the army and paying a fee to circumvent becoming part of a political party is not the same as paying a fee to become part of a political party.)

  Regarding swearing an oath of loyalty, for example, to the US Constitution, is different than saluting a flag or participating in some act that is idolatry. The real issue that people object to is not a religious position in itself, but as people see it, when a JW is faced with duress, JW should abandon or betray their religious beliefs to save their skin. If it were for secular reasons, such act would be called being a coward, or treason.

  IN the JW, people mainly get DF for sex sins, etc - and JW do it anyway without fear of getting DF. I have never seen a case of someone getting DF for caving in to a BT. Usually such a person feels devastated and feels that he failed, etc, or they leave because they get angry and hurt.

  JW position is that a person cannot violate God's Law (as jw decide what is God's Law) unconditionally and being faced with death is not a condition. A person first needs to clearly identify and clearly understand what is wrong. If a person does not know, how can he decide what to do but if he knows or if he believes he knows, then he can choose. Should duress be a condition for violating God's Law? Paul disagrees, "We MUST obey God as ruler rather than men."
  
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  114

  "The G.B. is neither inspired nor infallible"

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  that admission in the feb.17 ,study edition of the watchtower , " who is leading gods people today ?

  " "the governing body is neither inspired, nor infallible, therefore it (they/we) can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction .".

  have the many jehovahs witnesses past and present who have lost their lives by refusing blood transfusions due to the prohibition on blood tranfusions by jehovahs witnesses really got the sense of this statement ?.

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  DD

  You often use the term "zero" in your posts in a funny but direct way, at least in some of your classic posts -just using the word "zero" like you have and giving you credit -not discredit.
  
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  114

  "The G.B. is neither inspired nor infallible"

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  that admission in the feb.17 ,study edition of the watchtower , " who is leading gods people today ?

  " "the governing body is neither inspired, nor infallible, therefore it (they/we) can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction .".

  have the many jehovahs witnesses past and present who have lost their lives by refusing blood transfusions due to the prohibition on blood tranfusions by jehovahs witnesses really got the sense of this statement ?.

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  Fisherman

  I got 4 dislikes for asking a question. I did not make a statement. That is not fair.

  Malawi JWs beaten to death for not having political cards, Mexican JWs allowed to have them (conscience matter).

  There is a difference between buying a political card and everything that it involves by doing that and paying government officials instead of having to serve in the military and getting a military service satisfaction card -which is what happened with the brothers in Mexico.

  Also, your ignorance over the vastly improved safety of blood transfusions is staggering......

  That is not fair steve. You don't know what I know.

  OC posts articles and references and essays and links and photos and news on the subject and people read her posts on this Forum. Marvin Shilmer also posted evidence and argumentation and TD posts his arguments and analysis and views on WT doctrines and it would be unfair to to intentionally resort to fallacious logic or lies with the intent to discredit them or to obfuscate valid evidence or arguments. I have never done that on this Forum -but I have my view and that is what I post.