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This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

by cofty in

sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

Fisherman

Fin. Evidence versus myth. But Fin,the Bible says that Pharisees fought against empirical evidence from God, so sometimes people don't want the evidence becsuse it disturbs them.

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This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

by cofty in

sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

Fisherman

cofty, according to the Bible, God is not a wall - He has ears.

He may not tell me what I want to hear but things are what they are.

God gives each person individually verifiable evidence in addition to the Bible accounts about God. Enough evidence for each individual to conclude that he exist, that he is a personal God and a lot more. Why doesn't each person SEE the evidence?: spiritual blindness. Remember the GT bookstudy, the things that Jesus did in the misdts of his enemies and others too? "The kingdom of God is in your misdts! -powerful scripture. If that is a fact today, shouldn't there be discernible evidence? Look for the evidence with your heart if you really want it.

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The "Paradise" as promised by the Watchtower

by Saethydd in

i was thinking today about the descriptions of the future "paradise" presented by the watchtower, and i was struck by something about it.

most of us are aware that the watchtower promotes an interpretation of the apocalypse that would result in the immediate execution of 99.9% of the population with no hope for resurrection.

additionally, we have been told about the large group of people that are supposed to side with satan at the end of the thousand year reign of christ.

Fisherman

something I have thought about many times. Revelation says that those numbered and killed after the millennial reign would be "as sand on a seashore.

So did I and that always worried me. And being the compassionate person that I am, I always prayed to God for them in advance hoping that maybe there is someway to help these people beforehand. I thought about this a lot and really felt sorry figuring that there must be some way to save all of them. I also was worried that I could be among these people; But I came to a realization. First, as it relates to me, my relationship with God is such that I trust him and I am not worried now what he will do to me.

Also, but as the verse you reference relates to others, take for example the people that were around with Jesus; all that Jesus did was to relieve suffering and do good things to all and to what result? -they crucify him.

Thus, patience has its limits and there comes a point where people have to be stopped. Take Satan for example -he just won't stop.

The Bible says that Satan and a lot of people will be thrown into the barbecue and that is the nature of reality and I cannot change the nature of reality. And if Satan and a lot of people come after me in the millennium, I have had enough already at this side of Armaggedon and so has everbody else. Enough already, no sentiment from me at that point in time; plead you care with God and leave me alone. What a whole bunch of people don't realize is that there is accountability, God is abundantly merciful but once someone initiates some form of attack against God's friends, He will hear their cry for help and use all His power to stop them.

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Is Jehovah God guilty of the Sin of Omission ?

by smiddy in

in genesis ch.1&2 god warns adam that if he ate of the tree of knowledge of good and bad he would die .theire was nothing said about anything else.. you would expect humans would just die of old age like adam and eve did.. the wages of sin is death the bible tells us .so if he disobeyed jehovah god he knew he would die .. what he never knew and neither did any other human to come after him was just how many ways death would come to humans.. death by creatures that were created by god venomous creatures ,snakes spiders etc.,marine creatures sharks etc., bacteria /viruses etc.,insect carrying diseases such as the mosquito that causes thousands of deaths to children under 5 years old even today with malaria.,wild animals etc,.leprosy that even existed under theocratic rule in the nation of israel.. then their is the indignties humans go through in old age ,loss of bodily functions , mental capacity ,alzheimers ,neurological diseases that effect young and old.that reduce people to almost live not much better than a vegetable .

natural disasters not to be excluded because these are in the control of god to afflict mankind or not.. the list of afflictions that humans have to suffer through before they die , from a loving god just boggles my mind.. and i have only scratched the surface of indignities humans have faced before they die.. so i ask the question is god jehovah guilty of the sin of omission ?

or did he act out of vengeance for their disobedience and wanted to inflict greater punishment upon them.for disobeying him.. what are your thoughts ?.

Fisherman

Compare "him" "them" and "the man" in Gen 1:27 NWT.

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Is Jehovah God guilty of the Sin of Omission ?

by smiddy in

in genesis ch.1&2 god warns adam that if he ate of the tree of knowledge of good and bad he would die .theire was nothing said about anything else.. you would expect humans would just die of old age like adam and eve did.. the wages of sin is death the bible tells us .so if he disobeyed jehovah god he knew he would die .. what he never knew and neither did any other human to come after him was just how many ways death would come to humans.. death by creatures that were created by god venomous creatures ,snakes spiders etc.,marine creatures sharks etc., bacteria /viruses etc.,insect carrying diseases such as the mosquito that causes thousands of deaths to children under 5 years old even today with malaria.,wild animals etc,.leprosy that even existed under theocratic rule in the nation of israel.. then their is the indignties humans go through in old age ,loss of bodily functions , mental capacity ,alzheimers ,neurological diseases that effect young and old.that reduce people to almost live not much better than a vegetable .

natural disasters not to be excluded because these are in the control of god to afflict mankind or not.. the list of afflictions that humans have to suffer through before they die , from a loving god just boggles my mind.. and i have only scratched the surface of indignities humans have faced before they die.. so i ask the question is god jehovah guilty of the sin of omission ?

or did he act out of vengeance for their disobedience and wanted to inflict greater punishment upon them.for disobeying him.. what are your thoughts ?.

Fisherman

chuck

lol

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Is Jehovah God guilty of the Sin of Omission ?

by smiddy in

in genesis ch.1&2 god warns adam that if he ate of the tree of knowledge of good and bad he would die .theire was nothing said about anything else.. you would expect humans would just die of old age like adam and eve did.. the wages of sin is death the bible tells us .so if he disobeyed jehovah god he knew he would die .. what he never knew and neither did any other human to come after him was just how many ways death would come to humans.. death by creatures that were created by god venomous creatures ,snakes spiders etc.,marine creatures sharks etc., bacteria /viruses etc.,insect carrying diseases such as the mosquito that causes thousands of deaths to children under 5 years old even today with malaria.,wild animals etc,.leprosy that even existed under theocratic rule in the nation of israel.. then their is the indignties humans go through in old age ,loss of bodily functions , mental capacity ,alzheimers ,neurological diseases that effect young and old.that reduce people to almost live not much better than a vegetable .

natural disasters not to be excluded because these are in the control of god to afflict mankind or not.. the list of afflictions that humans have to suffer through before they die , from a loving god just boggles my mind.. and i have only scratched the surface of indignities humans have faced before they die.. so i ask the question is god jehovah guilty of the sin of omission ?

or did he act out of vengeance for their disobedience and wanted to inflict greater punishment upon them.for disobeying him.. what are your thoughts ?.

Fisherman

Here is a point of interest: The only penalty stated in Genesis that God directly pronounced against Eve was childbearing pain and the changed relationship between her husband and her - that is it. Each other pronouncent that God made was made consistently against the man. "THE man has become like one of us" "Expelled HIM from the garden of Eden."

Also interesting is that Genesis does not state when Eve died or how old she was when she died or if Adam and Eve both died at the same time or who died first. Or if she died at all -- although it can be deduced that she did as surely as Adam did. Neither can the date of the creation of Eve be extrapolated.

Genesis does not say that Adam and Eve experienced old age or whether Adam was executed directly by God at age 930 or that he died from old age. It can be deduced that Adam died just as God has said.

Referenced supporting scriptures are from the NWT.

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Is Jehovah God guilty of the Sin of Omission ?

by smiddy in

in genesis ch.1&2 god warns adam that if he ate of the tree of knowledge of good and bad he would die .theire was nothing said about anything else.. you would expect humans would just die of old age like adam and eve did.. the wages of sin is death the bible tells us .so if he disobeyed jehovah god he knew he would die .. what he never knew and neither did any other human to come after him was just how many ways death would come to humans.. death by creatures that were created by god venomous creatures ,snakes spiders etc.,marine creatures sharks etc., bacteria /viruses etc.,insect carrying diseases such as the mosquito that causes thousands of deaths to children under 5 years old even today with malaria.,wild animals etc,.leprosy that even existed under theocratic rule in the nation of israel.. then their is the indignties humans go through in old age ,loss of bodily functions , mental capacity ,alzheimers ,neurological diseases that effect young and old.that reduce people to almost live not much better than a vegetable .

natural disasters not to be excluded because these are in the control of god to afflict mankind or not.. the list of afflictions that humans have to suffer through before they die , from a loving god just boggles my mind.. and i have only scratched the surface of indignities humans have faced before they die.. so i ask the question is god jehovah guilty of the sin of omission ?

or did he act out of vengeance for their disobedience and wanted to inflict greater punishment upon them.for disobeying him.. what are your thoughts ?.

Fisherman

"talking snakes"

talking birds, why not a talking snake

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Is Jehovah God guilty of the Sin of Omission ?

by smiddy in

in genesis ch.1&2 god warns adam that if he ate of the tree of knowledge of good and bad he would die .theire was nothing said about anything else.. you would expect humans would just die of old age like adam and eve did.. the wages of sin is death the bible tells us .so if he disobeyed jehovah god he knew he would die .. what he never knew and neither did any other human to come after him was just how many ways death would come to humans.. death by creatures that were created by god venomous creatures ,snakes spiders etc.,marine creatures sharks etc., bacteria /viruses etc.,insect carrying diseases such as the mosquito that causes thousands of deaths to children under 5 years old even today with malaria.,wild animals etc,.leprosy that even existed under theocratic rule in the nation of israel.. then their is the indignties humans go through in old age ,loss of bodily functions , mental capacity ,alzheimers ,neurological diseases that effect young and old.that reduce people to almost live not much better than a vegetable .

natural disasters not to be excluded because these are in the control of god to afflict mankind or not.. the list of afflictions that humans have to suffer through before they die , from a loving god just boggles my mind.. and i have only scratched the surface of indignities humans have faced before they die.. so i ask the question is god jehovah guilty of the sin of omission ?

or did he act out of vengeance for their disobedience and wanted to inflict greater punishment upon them.for disobeying him.. what are your thoughts ?.

Fisherman

Adam and Eve didn't know what death was because they hadn't seen of what was death.

How do you know that Fin?

However, if Adam or Eve did not know at the time the command was given to each of them, what death was, they surely would have asked -or it surely would have been explained; or how could God state "You shall surely die"? If its a fact that each did not understand the command, how could God be justified in judging them?

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Is Jehovah God guilty of the Sin of Omission ?

by smiddy in

in genesis ch.1&2 god warns adam that if he ate of the tree of knowledge of good and bad he would die .theire was nothing said about anything else.. you would expect humans would just die of old age like adam and eve did.. the wages of sin is death the bible tells us .so if he disobeyed jehovah god he knew he would die .. what he never knew and neither did any other human to come after him was just how many ways death would come to humans.. death by creatures that were created by god venomous creatures ,snakes spiders etc.,marine creatures sharks etc., bacteria /viruses etc.,insect carrying diseases such as the mosquito that causes thousands of deaths to children under 5 years old even today with malaria.,wild animals etc,.leprosy that even existed under theocratic rule in the nation of israel.. then their is the indignties humans go through in old age ,loss of bodily functions , mental capacity ,alzheimers ,neurological diseases that effect young and old.that reduce people to almost live not much better than a vegetable .

natural disasters not to be excluded because these are in the control of god to afflict mankind or not.. the list of afflictions that humans have to suffer through before they die , from a loving god just boggles my mind.. and i have only scratched the surface of indignities humans have faced before they die.. so i ask the question is god jehovah guilty of the sin of omission ?

or did he act out of vengeance for their disobedience and wanted to inflict greater punishment upon them.for disobeying him.. what are your thoughts ?.

Fisherman

Adam chose to not believe in Gods goodness and ability to overcome Eve's sin....

That is a good point if it is true but it is irrelevant to the point of discussion: Adam did not believe the lie, period

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God warns Adam that if he ate of the tree of knowledge of good and bad he would die .

makes no difference whether the source of the LIE they chose to believe came from themselves, another creature, a future cult etc.

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Is Jehovah God guilty of the Sin of Omission ?

by smiddy in

in genesis ch.1&2 god warns adam that if he ate of the tree of knowledge of good and bad he would die .theire was nothing said about anything else.. you would expect humans would just die of old age like adam and eve did.. the wages of sin is death the bible tells us .so if he disobeyed jehovah god he knew he would die .. what he never knew and neither did any other human to come after him was just how many ways death would come to humans.. death by creatures that were created by god venomous creatures ,snakes spiders etc.,marine creatures sharks etc., bacteria /viruses etc.,insect carrying diseases such as the mosquito that causes thousands of deaths to children under 5 years old even today with malaria.,wild animals etc,.leprosy that even existed under theocratic rule in the nation of israel.. then their is the indignties humans go through in old age ,loss of bodily functions , mental capacity ,alzheimers ,neurological diseases that effect young and old.that reduce people to almost live not much better than a vegetable .

natural disasters not to be excluded because these are in the control of god to afflict mankind or not.. the list of afflictions that humans have to suffer through before they die , from a loving god just boggles my mind.. and i have only scratched the surface of indignities humans have faced before they die.. so i ask the question is god jehovah guilty of the sin of omission ?

or did he act out of vengeance for their disobedience and wanted to inflict greater punishment upon them.for disobeying him.. what are your thoughts ?.

Fisherman

God did not tell Adam how soon after sinning, he would die.

Why Adam did not mate with his wife as soon as he was married to her is puzzling.But maybe he did and she did and not get pregnant