What a lot of people do just to be safe than sorry when it comes to anything legal that may involve them legally is to as ask an attorney first -one may have good intentions but the Courts may bnot see it that way and could get a person in trouble.
Fisherman
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Richard Oliver, what is relevevant in the statutes that you posted now is the protected penitent communications as it applies to the state laws that you quoted:
Richard Oliver, can such "anyone" still be held liable under Federal Law?
Also,can any injured party resulting from a "good faith" report file a suit in a state court having subject matter without having the Court dismiss it prima facie challenging the "good faith" and is the good faith the only basis for a law suit. What is the burden of proof for "good faith" and who has the burden of proof should good faith be challenged?
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Richard Oliver assuming that in one jurisdiction "good faith"reporting is exempt from liability, does the inverse also apply in such jurisdiction when a minister does not report "in good faith." Is such minister also exempt from liability?
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Richard Oliver, sorry I posted without carefully reading your post and understanding what you meant by "in good faith." I figure that you mean that a minister that discloses protected information not knowing that by doing so he is breaking the law and or believes that he should report the confidential information he is doing so in good faith. Is that correct?
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Fisherman
The privilege would prevent the information from being used in trial,
Richard Oliver Thank you you kindly for posting clear unbiased facts. I think it is Federal Rule 506 that prevents the information to be used as evidence. But consulting with an attorney just to be sure what is legally required in that jurisdiction. Of course if a person sees a crime, he is a witness to the crime and confidentiality does not apply. He must testify to what he saw and heard and knows and believes. But again,I speaking with an attorney before speaking with the police. Speaking to the police without an attorney present or without an attorney giving you the ok may get you in trouble. I am not saying that it will, I am saying that it could.
I have no reason to doubt you Richard Oliver that such person is released from liability but laws can change and why take a chance of having to defend a lawsuit. The safest thing to do is to get legal help unless it is an emergency then one should call 911. But depending on the emergency some people call their lawyer first. even before calling 911
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Was/Is Religion Useful Even if it isn't True?
by cofty inin his book "the righteous mind" jonathan haidt proposes that religion served - and continues to serve an important role in bringing about cohesion within non-kin groups.. to put it very briefly haidt advocates a form of group selection but only insofar as it applies to humans.
our unique brains have made it possible for us to cooperate in groups in ways that are impossible for all non-human species.
despite their intelligence you will never see two chimps helping each other to carry the same log or one chimp pulling down a branch while the other removes the fruit.. his description is that humans are 90% chimp and 10% bee.
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Lies, fear, myths and superstitions are useful in controling people; besides that, a sugar pill has a placebo effect if believed; But if one takes a sugar pill to cure cancer, the pill won't kill you but the cancer will.
Religion teaches that god punishes bad conduct and rewards good conduct; but people conduct themselves religiously not because religion says so but because people believe the religion that says that god says so. So as long as people believe that god exists, they will believe also that religion is useful.
But for those that believe that there is no God, religion is for fools. They venerate evolution and worship Epicurious and scientific realism - but with this in mind: "And by a sleep to say we end?"
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Fisherman
JW defenders like Fisherman
Dubstepped, facts are what they are, for example, when a Court decides that Wt has no duty to protect or warn its members, is the court a wt advocate?
Richard Oliver posted a Court decision on another thread showing that a minister broke the law and caused damages to a child abuser when the minister disclosed the child abuser's communications to the police -was that court defending the wt?
When US law protects confidential communications of a child abuser or another criminal, is the law defending the watchtower?
Dubstepped, suppose a child abuser came to you, and for some reason he believed that you were a minister because you pretended to be one; he only believed that you were a minister, that's it, but you were nothing of the sort. And he confessed to you that he committed child abuse. You'd better get a lawyer and ask him what you are required to do legally because under US law that communication could be protected from disclosure. Lets say you felt a moral duty to go to the police without getting counsel from an attorney and you reported what you heard from him to competent authorities. Lets say they arrest the man or they don't find enough evidence to charge him with a crime and nothing happens to him or the case goes to trial and he is found either guilty or not guilty. Suppose he is found not guilty and he challenges you, you have a big problem if he takes you to Court. Suppose he is found guilty at the trial? He can still sue you for disclosing the protected conversation he had with you and you may find yourself looking at a verdict requiring you to pay damages to him -and you broke the law. And may have avoided the mess by asking a lawyer versus your morality which may be against the law.
You are very adamant about your noble morality but if you break the law imposing your morality on others or encroach on the rights of others because they defend the watchtower or they practice gay sex or something that you feel is not moral, should you not be punished? Or should you be allowed to go around breaking laws because you feel it is a noble thing when you harm the watchtower, its advocates or its adherents? ( I am not accussing you of doing this) -It happens at the trial dubsttepped.
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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How ? by forcibly shunning (Dfiing) as a...
Fin, I never said anything about wt methods being good or bad. Ibonly said that they try.
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Fisherman
Fin, this thread is about Court settlements.
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Fisherman
I could go into experiences of kids that I grew up with that were molested with impunity in the organization.
That is a law enforcement matter. Have you reported it?