Posts by Fisherman

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

Fisherman

It does not say anybody. - Fishy

All persons, citizens or aliens, who eat what dies of itself or what has been torn by wild animals, shall wash their clothes, and bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the evening; then they shall be clean. - Leviticus 17:15
Has it now got to the stage that you need to resort to bare-faced lies? By definition the phrase citizens or aliens covers absolutely everybody and anybody.

TRY READING! Not all aliens were proselytes. Some alien residents living in ancient Israel were not under the law (they did not become worshipers of God) and were not forbidden to eat dead animals and did not have to ceremonially bathe after doing so.-- Not the Bible according to cofty.

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

Fisherman

Verse 15 says that anybody who eats an animal that dies of itself will be unclean until the evening. Nobody gets stoned to death. The only requirement is to have bath and change clothes.

It does not say anybody. Non Jews were not under the law and not required to ceremonially wash.

Don't waste my time with cofty's nonsesical comentary. I don't have time to read your dribbling long commentary of scripture as cofty sees it.

Lev 15 If anyone, whether a native or a foreigner, eats an animal found dead or one torn by a wild animal, he must then wash his garments and bathe in water and be unclean until the evening; then he will be clean.

No permission stated only restoration.

When you can show that God allowed to eat dead animals, prove it with scripture. Lev 17:15 shows a distinction between the blood of a slaughtered animal ( for food)and one found dead. It was not permission for Israel to go around eating dead animals with impunity as your falsified OP states.

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

Fisherman

For forty years after permission was given in Lev.17

Lev. 17 speaks about restoration not about permission. You conclude permission is implied. The text does not say permission, cofty does.

Ex 22:31 You should prove yourselves holy people to me, and you must not eat the flesh of anything in the field that has been torn by a wild animal....

The Law of Moses is clear forbidding Israel from eating animals found dead and those torn by wild animals -except for cofty.

Cofty's commentary is swill!

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

Fisherman

How can you eat an animal unless it's dead?

dead vs slaughtered

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

Fisherman

Crazyguy, the law did not prohibit drinking milk or having sex with your wife or a woman giving birth to a child. The law forbade Israel from eating dead animals. The provision for restoration in Lev 17 does not invalidate the prohibition. Notice in Deut 14 :21; it says of the foreign resident: "..he may eat.." referring to the dead animal. On the other hand, the same scripture states that Israel was forbidden to eat dead animals. It dos not say that Israel may eat them. Cofty denys this fact. Cofty reads his conclusions about things but does not read the Bible text.

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

Fisherman

Crazyguy, saying something does not make it so.

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

Fisherman

Law vs cofty's commentary

"..ahhh there is he rub"

The Bible is clear that God forbade Israel to eat dead animals but:

Deut 14:21 YOU MUST NOT EAT any animal that was found dead. You may give it to the foreign resident who is inside your cities, and he may eat it, or it may be sold to a foreigner. For you are a holy people to Jehovah your God.

Why did God allow those not under the law of Moses to eat an unbled carcass when God forbade mankind to eat animals that were not bled?

Gen 9:4 Only flesh with its life—its blood—you must not eat.

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

Fisherman

cofty, your comentary is hogwash.

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Should Blood Transfusions be forced?

by Fisherman in

1.there are times when a doctor decides that the only life saving medical treatment -short of a miracle- is a blood transfusion.

in such a case, what should be done when a person refuses treatment on religious grounds and why?.

2. should a person be allowed to "mutilate" his body and why?.

Fisherman

If you can prove to me through the bible that the blood ban is scriptural.

I am only asking for sincere personal views and feelings on this thread.

I will return to the witnesses immediately.

How are you so sure that the door is still open for you?

you have to leave this webpage never to return.

Why? What prevents you from posting your views on this forum?

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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

by cofty in

... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

they take pride in obedience.

Fisherman

Especially when you are clearly wrong? Do you get a kick out of a half-dozen people telling you that you're wrong?

Saying that I am wrong does not make it so. Please show me wrong.