Posts by Fisherman

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J.W.'s reliance on Matthew 24:14
by The Fall Guy in
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2. beliefs
virtually every j.w.

will gladly tell you that matthew 24:14 proves that only they are god's true people/religion, because they are the only people preaching the good news worldwide today.

crucially, they double-down on this lame bet by adding that their worldwide preaching proves another wtbts teaching, namely, that we are living in "the last days.
Fisherman

This generation will not pass away.
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/killing-jesus/articles/how-did-the-apostles-die/
The good news began to be preached 2000+ years ago, and if I am correct it continued to be preached after 70 AD. Then according to wt, another good news of the kingdom or a continuation began to be preached circa 1914 for 103 years and going. In the minds of JW it is challenging to reconcile why the end has not come with heaven and earth stil around -no loss of faith though. It is hard to believe though that the preaching will last another 10 years using 1914 as a reference. Using 1914 as a reference, the party is over and the fat lady should be singing at any moment. If the fat lady doesn't sing any time soon, and I mean within days or months or so, then "Houston, we have a problem." - But that's only how I see it. Something has to give.
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JW Rumor: End of the Traveling Overseer
by Edison Trent in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
a friend of mine has contacts to a family with several circuit overseers and special pioneers.

they have good connections to bethel.. he told me that the latest rumor from bethel states that the cos should be abolished in their present form.

they have also recently begun to take cos back to bethel.. over the same channel i have already heard of the car fleet program and that the dos should be abolished.. has anyone else already heard of it?
Fisherman

without having to physically visit the congregation and look at actual physical paperwork.
Sounds good on paper. But I can tell you after trying everything, someone sharp has to physically go there to see what's actually going on to report back to the higher ups to straighten things out. Some expenses you can't do without. It doesn't mean wt will not figure some way to trim the TO expense or even as this thread suggest cut it out. You will still need someone to supervise each BO and the Cong in my opinion however wt works it out financially.
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JW Rumor: End of the Traveling Overseer
by Edison Trent in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
a friend of mine has contacts to a family with several circuit overseers and special pioneers.

they have good connections to bethel.. he told me that the latest rumor from bethel states that the cos should be abolished in their present form.

they have also recently begun to take cos back to bethel.. over the same channel i have already heard of the car fleet program and that the dos should be abolished.. has anyone else already heard of it?
Fisherman

It seems to make financial sense but the body of elders sometimes deviate and so does the congregation and you need someone to keep them in line. In any organization, tight management is needed or things will get out of control. JW congregations are no exception.
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Help! Mike & Kim videos all being deleted by Youtube
by mrmagic in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
due to watchtower flagging the mike & kim videos on youtube for copyright, youtube is giving them 6 days before they are shutting down their entire youtube channel.

can you help with a mass downloading program and then reuploading them on a mirror ?

would hate to lose all those good videos!
Fisherman

how some individuals and organizations have used copyright laws, not to protect their intellectual rights, but to suppress legitimate criticism.
That's what Fair Use legal proceedings are all about.
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Does Morality Exist?
by Fisherman in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
some people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.

some people don't.. does morality exist?

if so, prove it..
Fisherman

Fisherman - Do you agree that a society that promoted rape, random murder and rapacious theft would not perfectly promote human well being?
Agree to a limited degree. But take slavery of the blacks in the US . Murder and rape did not apply to them. Also, exploitation of human beings all over the world so that countries like the US, can prosper. So, well- being for who? Sorry if I do not grasp what you mean.
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Does Morality Exist?
by Fisherman in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
some people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.

some people don't.. does morality exist?

if so, prove it..
Fisherman

Cofty there is a lot to read and think about. I need time to think about everything you posted but you can continue to explain and expand. Only trying to understand. I don't have a handle on this Topic. I am reading and thinking and expressing some feelings that's it. If you got your arm around this ok. If you got something solid to offer, consider it your thread. I am all ears for anyone who has gotten to the core of this.
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Does Morality Exist?
by Fisherman in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
some people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.

some people don't.. does morality exist?

if so, prove it..
Fisherman

would define it as a mutual understanding accepted regardless of its basis in reality.
Aren't those laws? Doesn't morality have to do with sexual conduct, deception and debauchery (personal conduct)in every society?
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Does Morality Exist?
by Fisherman in
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2. beliefs
some people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.

some people don't.. does morality exist?

if so, prove it..
Fisherman

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Does Morality Exist?
by Fisherman in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
some people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.

some people don't.. does morality exist?

if so, prove it..
Fisherman

If morality exists, I want to see proof.
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Does Morality Exist?
by Fisherman in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
some people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.

some people don't.. does morality exist?

if so, prove it..
Fisherman

Morality is just the name we give to our concerns about how our actions affect other conscious beings. So yes of course it exists.
We would still be concerned about the implications of our actions on the well-being of other creatures.
Is killing other creatures,for example, for self preservation or for the preservation of our loved ones the moral thing to do? And I don't only mean self defense.
I am only probing Cofty, and I don't have a handle on this topic and not trying to prove you wrong. Post away. I read and think about what is posted. If I don't grasp, explain away.
Morality is not arbitrary, neither is it simply a social construct.
What is it then or give a solid example. All you have said that it is a feeling about our actions as they affect the well being of others. Concern is subjective. You are concerned about how pollution affects fish and me too but I am also concerned about the ocean - not having trash floating around regardless of the fish. Some people won't eat fish or other creatures for moral reasons, others don't care. What concerns are you talking about and based on what?