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  Independent Catalonia

  by mikeflood in

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  it's a deja vu from matthew..."for nation shall rise against nation.....".

  it seem that periods of instability occur around the world periodically.

  since the arab spring to brexit and trumpism people want change.

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  Fisherman: It is really easy. My position is that in a democracy the people should determine what is legal

  Let's consider in theory that Spain is a democracy, then the people of Spain should determine what is legal in Spain. Based on your premise then, since the people of Catalonia are only part of all the people of Spain, their vote for independence is not enough to change the law. Also, if Spain is not a democracy, then your premise is meaningless.

  (A unitary state ( Spain) is a state governed as a single power in which the central government (Spain) is ultimately supreme and any administrative divisions (Catalonia) (sub-national units) exercise only the powers that the central government chooses to delegate.)

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitary_state
  
  

  I don't really think it is worth debating this anymore.

  Up to you.
  
  
  
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  Witness Royalty and the last day at the "Towers"

  by Lynnie in

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  my uber elder cousin and his wife got the "privilege" of having one last "toast" of wine at the rooftop garden at the towers in nyc since the jw's are vacating to warwick.

  his oldest daughter and son in law are quite high up in the inner circle so they get invited to all the "inner circle" activities.

  even though they aren't supposed to toast to anything it was pretty darn close.

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  I even hear your rebellious outreach

  You misrepresent what I post, Steve: I don't aim to please, I just aim.

  
  
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  Independent Catalonia

  by mikeflood in

  1. social
  2. current

  it's a deja vu from matthew..."for nation shall rise against nation.....".

  it seem that periods of instability occur around the world periodically.

  since the arab spring to brexit and trumpism people want change.

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  Fisherman

  What someone has written on a piece of paper SHOULD be secondary to the will of the People,

  As written, your statement is meaningless. You need to explain exactly what you mean.
  
  
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  Independent Catalonia

  by mikeflood in

  1. social
  2. current

  it's a deja vu from matthew..."for nation shall rise against nation.....".

  it seem that periods of instability occur around the world periodically.

  since the arab spring to brexit and trumpism people want change.

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  Fisherman

  Fact: the UK was part of the EU; ppl said the UK could not leave for 117 different reason, then they did.

  I have already answered your argument in my previous posts. UK is a partner in the EU but Catalonia is not partners with Spain, it is part of Spain. UK did not want to be a partner so how can you force someone to be your partner? Cat and Spain have a different relationship. Spain has the power to deny Cat independence same as they have with the Basques or they can give Cat independence. Wholly up to Spain.
  
  
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  Witness Royalty and the last day at the "Towers"

  by Lynnie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my uber elder cousin and his wife got the "privilege" of having one last "toast" of wine at the rooftop garden at the towers in nyc since the jw's are vacating to warwick.

  his oldest daughter and son in law are quite high up in the inner circle so they get invited to all the "inner circle" activities.

  even though they aren't supposed to toast to anything it was pretty darn close.

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  a black sister married to a white ( back in the 70's ) higher up

  Only a couple of interracial back in the 70s and these guys were not so higher up.
  

  were living quite high on the hog.

  ROFL

  By gleaming leftovers from the tables at lunch ?
  
  
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  Witness Royalty and the last day at the "Towers"

  by Lynnie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my uber elder cousin and his wife got the "privilege" of having one last "toast" of wine at the rooftop garden at the towers in nyc since the jw's are vacating to warwick.

  his oldest daughter and son in law are quite high up in the inner circle so they get invited to all the "inner circle" activities.

  even though they aren't supposed to toast to anything it was pretty darn close.

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  farewell party in the ( now defunct) Yearbook.

  If there was one party, there were thousands. There were thousands of Bethelites and friends going up there one last time. But don't picture everyone excluded and a select few special people going up there one last time at an elite event.
  
  
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  Independent Catalonia

  by mikeflood in

  1. social
  2. current

  it's a deja vu from matthew..."for nation shall rise against nation.....".

  it seem that periods of instability occur around the world periodically.

  since the arab spring to brexit and trumpism people want change.

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  Fisherman

  what can be done can be undone.

  Well...., as it applies to Cat, lets theoretically consider that Catalonia was independent from Spain at some point before now ( not saying that in fact it actually was), at this time it is part of Spain and therefore it is not only up to Catalonia to vote itself out but it also depends on Spain to accept Cat independence. And it also depends on any terms and legislation that governs Spain's authority over the Catalonia region of Spain at this time affecting Cats vote for independence.
  
  
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  Witness Royalty and the last day at the "Towers"

  by Lynnie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my uber elder cousin and his wife got the "privilege" of having one last "toast" of wine at the rooftop garden at the towers in nyc since the jw's are vacating to warwick.

  his oldest daughter and son in law are quite high up in the inner circle so they get invited to all the "inner circle" activities.

  even though they aren't supposed to toast to anything it was pretty darn close.

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  to all the "inner circle" activities.

  Well.... take going up to the towers roof, most JW have never been up there but if you were at bb, no big deal to go up there a thousand times. But to go to bb is a lot of work and sacrifice only to go up to towers roof. There ain't no inner circles about anything except doing more work and going to dozen of hours of meetings. Going to the Gilead grad was a special privilege and going to the annual meeting and studying the wt mag study article on Monday nights also. Hours and hours of a special program. I never saw any inner circles about anything except doing more work.
  
  
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  Independent Catalonia

  by mikeflood in

  1. social
  2. current

  it's a deja vu from matthew..."for nation shall rise against nation.....".

  it seem that periods of instability occur around the world periodically.

  since the arab spring to brexit and trumpism people want change.

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  Fisherman

  So the US ground still "belongs" to GB and the Indian ground still "belongs to England?

  You misunderstood what I meant to say. All I am saying is that the colonists declared Independence but had to fight England for the land. In the case of Catalonia, the Catalonian Spaniards live there but it is still part of Spain because Spain occupies Catalonia and because of Spanish legislation vs Catalonia Declaration of Independence. Are you saying that Spain accepted their independence ? Or are you saying that all it takes is for a region of a country to be independent is to email Madrid the message: "Have we got news for you!"

  Anything can happen but at this time Catalonia is part of Spain same as California is part of the US should they send the president a letter.

  I am not familiar with the Spanish Constitution and how it provides for any Spanish regions to become independent from Spain. Basques wanted independence for a long time but Bilbao and the Vascongadas are still part of Spain.

  ( Am I missing something? Are the Catalonians independent or are they still part of Spain?)
  
  
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  Independent Catalonia

  by mikeflood in

  1. social
  2. current

  it's a deja vu from matthew..."for nation shall rise against nation.....".

  it seem that periods of instability occur around the world periodically.

  since the arab spring to brexit and trumpism people want change.

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  2. 
  3. 
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  Fisherman

  BTW what right did india have to secede from the United Kingdom? surely we should undo all the unlawfulness that occurred when colonialism ended lol.

  Neither does Catalonia, assuming that they have no grounds, and they can do whatever they want same as India and the 13 colonies -but the ground belongs to Spain - period.