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  Does anyone have info on the guy that sued Jw in Canada

  by poopie in

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  because he was shunned by his customers?.

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  Fisherman

  to deny a human the right to speak to another human is against universal law.

  IF you can prove to me that saying a friendly greeting to someone will cause them to receive a restrainting order please let me know what state or country I can file that restraing order In

  In the US, a plaintiff can go to a judge and make allegations against another person and persuade the judge to grant a temporary order of protection without the other person being present. Let's say both parties live in the same building, the judge can order the defendant not even to say Hi or even look at Plaintiff --and if he does, off to jail. The case can drag on for years and then later on the case can be dismissed, plea-bargained, or tried.
  
  
  
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  Does anyone have info on the guy that sued Jw in Canada

  by poopie in

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  because he was shunned by his customers?.

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  Fisherman

  was Ray Franz not disfellowshipped for having dinner with his disfellowshipped employer?

  Unrepentance -not guilt- is the ground for df. As it relates to association with a df person, business relationships are a personal decisions but social association with a df goes against JW doctrine and can be grounds for a JC being formed.
  
  
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  Does anyone have info on the guy that sued Jw in Canada

  by poopie in

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  because he was shunned by his customers?.

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  Fisherman

  The judicial review is because elders do not follow rules carefully as outlined by service dept .

  Mr. Ngam argues that there is no legal relationship between church and member in this case, only non justiciable religious obligation between church and member exists.
  
  
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  Does anyone have info on the guy that sued Jw in Canada

  by poopie in

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  because he was shunned by his customers?.

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  Fisherman

  He also said... I will later post

  Or you could just listen to that question that justice Maldavier posed to Mr. Gnam that goes with what Mr Gnam "also said". ( On the already posted vid of the appeals hearing.)
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  Does anyone have info on the guy that sued Jw in Canada

  by poopie in

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  because he was shunned by his customers?.

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  Fisherman

  so if the elders sneakily told publishers not to do business with mrwall

  That's a horse of a different color. But can such a case be heard, and can it be adjudicated as a judicial review?

  then they crossed the line they did not follow there own rules this would be part of the judicial review as a citizen not religious.

  Maybe not. The case law is in dispute and Court has not decided. Mr Gnam argued that respondent could bring the issue up as a tort, etc.
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  Does anyone have info on the guy that sued Jw in Canada

  by poopie in

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  because he was shunned by his customers?.

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  Fisherman

  Mr. Gnam told the 9 justices that doing business with a df individual is a personal decision (today).
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  Exjw activists protesting inside a Kingdom Hall today!

  by Crazyguy in

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  spoonfed nomore, has uploaded a video on his youtube site, of exjw activists protesting inside a kingdom hall during this sunday meeting.

  several people speak out.

  if some one can put a link on here that would be awesome, i can’t figure out how to do it with an i phone.

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  Fisherman

  Also, using cuss words and smoking on the video does not help their cause to get JW to sympathize with them, and the deception they used to disrupt the meeting and startle everyone there subtracts from anything good they intended to do. It could however incite someone's curiosity to investigate their allegations -if that is all they wanted to acompish.
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  Does anyone have info on the guy that sued Jw in Canada

  by poopie in

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  because he was shunned by his customers?.

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  Fisherman

  Mr Wall given notice that his business would be affected. R456

  In this case, respondent confessed to sinful conduct establishing guilt but df is not based upon guilt but upon what elders discern is godly repentance as elders determine guided by HS and asking for direction in prayer. Interesting to see how the court can review such JC decision in Canada.
  

  I can understand if the brother disagrees with the elders and believes that he is repentant and should not be df but as a repentant JW he also believes in God's organization, etc.,etc., so how could he possibly turn to Caesar for justice.
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  Does anyone have info on the guy that sued Jw in Canada

  by poopie in

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  because he was shunned by his customers?.

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  Fisherman

  Let's say that employer and employee were both JW. Employer could not legally fire a df employee and if he did, the courts would have authority over the situation but if the employer was df, it would be a matter of personal decision if employee wanted to quit or not. Could the employer bring the employee to court for not wanting to work for the reason of df? How could the Courts enforce ? How could the Court force Respondent's customers to do business with him in this related case? By adjudicating church practice as secular procedure and imposing rules of secular justice so that church discipline including expulsion measure up to a justiciable standard vs church doctrine judicially reviewable by the Court: Secular standards are standing in a holy place.

  (But what if employee still refuses to work for employer? What can the Courts do?)

  "Mr. So and So the decision of this JC is to df you but we can't do that based on legal standards that we are forced to follow, on religious grounds you are df but you still a legal member of this church."

  "This is to inform the Cong that brother so and so is no longer a spiritual member of this church but legally he still is a member, you must legally continue to view him as a member. There is nothing we can do about it."
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  Exjw activists protesting inside a Kingdom Hall today!

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  spoonfed nomore, has uploaded a video on his youtube site, of exjw activists protesting inside a kingdom hall during this sunday meeting.

  several people speak out.

  if some one can put a link on here that would be awesome, i can’t figure out how to do it with an i phone.

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  Fisherman

  they again spoke fairly calmly

  It is not words that people fear. With a climate of crazy people going around shooting these days, an innocent person cannot predict what a person disrupting church services is going to do next.