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  Help with 1975 please

  by jhine in

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  i answered a question on quora about jw flip flops .

  i mentioned, amongst other things , the 1975 debacle.

  how witnesses were told that armageddon was coming in the fall of that year.

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  Fisherman

  That Eve was created and God's sabbath began less than a year after Adam's creation.

  According to JW back then, the sixth creative day ended after the creation of Eve but because the Bible does not say when Eve was created, at first it was believed that Adam and Eve were created very close together so 1975 was the awaited date for something to happen. Later it was believed that Eve must have been created some years later after Adam and everyone waited for Eve to be created. What WT did in the publications back then was to show how it was logical for the Millennium to start 1000 years before the end of the 7th creative day. Everything added up and made sense although the publications did not actually declare that the end would come in 1975 but JW came to that conclusion from reading the printed information and it was believed by all although not actually stated in print. However, the faith of the JW about the Millennium does not rest upon whether or not its date can be extrapolated by WT. They still believe it will come.
  
  
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  Science news articles supporting biological evolution, including by discoveries of fossils

  by Disillusioned JW in

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  "a billion-year-old fossil of an organism, exquisitely preserved in the scottish highlands, reveals features of multicellularity nearly 400 million years before the biological trait emerged in the first animals, according to a new report in the journal current biology by an international team of researchers, including boston college paleobotanist paul k. strother.." see https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/528947 and https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/news/billion-year-old-fossil-reveals-missing-link-evolution-animals for details.. the first article listed above says the following.. "the microfossil, discovered at loch torridon, contains two distinct cell types and could be the earliest example of complex multicellularity ever recorded, according to the researchers.

  the fossil offers new insight into the transition of single celled organisms to complex, multicellular animals.

  modern single-celled holozoa include the most basal living animals and the fossil discovered shows an organism which lies somewhere between single cell and multicellular animals, or metazoa.".

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  400 million years before the biological trait emerged in the first animals,

  400 trillion years—not million.
  
  
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  Help with 1975 please

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i answered a question on quora about jw flip flops .

  i mentioned, amongst other things , the 1975 debacle.

  how witnesses were told that armageddon was coming in the fall of that year.

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  Fisherman

  say the test happens "at the end" and not after?

  Doesn’t seem wt is implying that the test occurs during the 1000 years before it ends because the other teachings I mentioned before qualify what they mean. Need to look at the base text that is translated from to see why they choose to use the words they do.
  
  
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  Help with 1975 please

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i answered a question on quora about jw flip flops .

  i mentioned, amongst other things , the 1975 debacle.

  how witnesses were told that armageddon was coming in the fall of that year.

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  Fisherman

  It might, it could. But they didn't say.

  It would be dishonest to make this claim. Like asking: “What does 6000+1000=?7000, right?” Then proving it, then saying they never said the answer is 7000.
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  Help with 1975 please

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i answered a question on quora about jw flip flops .

  i mentioned, amongst other things , the 1975 debacle.

  how witnesses were told that armageddon was coming in the fall of that year.

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  Fisherman

  final test happens "at the end of the 1000 years" not after the count past 1000 is ended.

  The teaching is clearly after the 1000 years: Millenium is over, Jesus turns over the kingdom to God, God is all things to all, humans are perfect just like Adam, final test with perfect humans just like with perfect Adam and Eve. —That has always been the teaching.
  
  
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  Help with 1975 please

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i answered a question on quora about jw flip flops .

  i mentioned, amongst other things , the 1975 debacle.

  how witnesses were told that armageddon was coming in the fall of that year.

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  Fisherman

  there will no more mess to be dealt with.

  That is a different issue to be dealt with because the Messianic Kingdom and the Millennium only address the consequences of the sin of Adam and Eve.

  There seems to be no prophecy in the Scriptures that the ransom covers the fetuses of pregnant rebellious females after the 1000 years —if there is even procreation whatsoever during or after the 1000 years before this test.
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  Help with 1975 please

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i answered a question on quora about jw flip flops .

  i mentioned, amongst other things , the 1975 debacle.

  how witnesses were told that armageddon was coming in the fall of that year.

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  Fisherman

  the post-millennium period.

  If I recall, JW teaching in the yellow Kingdom of 1000 years book published in the 1970s, the final test occurs after mankind becomes perfect, so that would be after the Millennium.
  
  
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  Help with 1975 please

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i answered a question on quora about jw flip flops .

  i mentioned, amongst other things , the 1975 debacle.

  how witnesses were told that armageddon was coming in the fall of that year.

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  Fisherman

  wt still clings to that fixed time frame.

  Insight Book still shows 1975 as 6000 years after the creation of Adam and 4026 the year of Adam’s creation. However the belief that each creative yom is 7000 years in length has changed.
  
  
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  Help with 1975 please

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i answered a question on quora about jw flip flops .

  i mentioned, amongst other things , the 1975 debacle.

  how witnesses were told that armageddon was coming in the fall of that year.

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  Fisherman

  According to JW Bible chronology, Adam was created 6000 years before 1975 (4026 BCE). JW figured that the Millennium would begin soon after 1975 because according to JW doctrine, each Creative Day is 7000 year in length. And the 1000 year long Millennium adds up perfectly with the 6000 years ending in 1975.

  And based on the belief that humanity is living during God’s Sabbath: (“And by the seventh day, God had completed the work that he had been doing, and he began to rest on the seventh day from all his work that he had been doing. 3 And God went on to bless the seventh day and to declare it sacred, for on it God has been resting from all the work that he has created, all that he purposed to make. COMPARE “For this reason the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because he was doing these things during the Sabbath. 17 But he answered them: “My Father has kept working until now, and I keep working.”’—Jesus was alluding to the ongoing Creative Sabbatical Day mentioned in Genesis.

  Since the ongoing Creative Sabbath Day should end by 7000 years based on JW belief that it is 7000 years long, it was JW belief that 1000 years Millennium ( starting on 1975 ) after the 6000 year old Creative Sabbath would fit perfectly in time to fulfill God’s purpose for humanity: 6000+1000=7000= end of 7th Creative day. And at the end of day, God would declare the 7th Creative Day: GOOD.
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  You're DISFELLOWSHIPPED, Please---DON'T CONTACT US, Until You Return to Jehovah's Organization!

  by pistolpete in

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  i just heard this story from one of my relatives.

  i'm leaving a lot of things out.. a jw couple had three kids and raised them in the religion.

  the oldest one got disfellowshipped at 18 years of age because he committed fornication with a jw girl.

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  Fisherman

  The problem is JW standards are hypocritical.

  Again, that is subjective. You miss the point. Like everybody else JW have the legal right to do whatever they like as long as they aren’t breaking the law.