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  Help with 1975 please

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
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  i answered a question on quora about jw flip flops .

  i mentioned, amongst other things , the 1975 debacle.

  how witnesses were told that armageddon was coming in the fall of that year.

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  Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast.

  What does that mean? —If 1260 can be used to set limits or to calculate/ know the time or see son when Christ comes,
  
  
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  Help with 1975 please

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i answered a question on quora about jw flip flops .

  i mentioned, amongst other things , the 1975 debacle.

  how witnesses were told that armageddon was coming in the fall of that year.

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  TD

  The teaching that the Millennium will end with the closing of the 7th creative day has not been changed by the WT . “God’s rest day will continue until his purpose in connection with it has been fully realized at the end of Christ’s Thousand Year Reign.” WT July 15, 2011
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  The Poor the Wealthy and the Middle Class

  by Simon in

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  the poor spendthe middle-class savethe wealthy invest.

  the unique circumstances of the lockdown and stimulus checks has highlighted these differences in stark ways.. on one hand, you have jumps in sales and valuation of companies like foot locker and nike, as people spend their "free" government money on sneakers.

  they blow it on useless tat.

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  Work hard at Getting smart, get knowledge, and use your own money to make money.

  Correct. And look for opportunities and seize the opportunity as you did. The rule is that the greater the risk, the greater the the returns —but you always need to factor in risk. I don’t take risks. In hindsight, I wish I had. I only invest and have always invested when the risk is zero or very close to it. When you know that at the very least you break even.
  
  
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  The Poor the Wealthy and the Middle Class

  by Simon in

  1. social
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  the poor spendthe middle-class savethe wealthy invest.

  the unique circumstances of the lockdown and stimulus checks has highlighted these differences in stark ways.. on one hand, you have jumps in sales and valuation of companies like foot locker and nike, as people spend their "free" government money on sneakers.

  they blow it on useless tat.

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  Well worth a watch:

  Agree. Enjoyed watching the vid. Like getting ready to go to bed with someone you are in love with and getting hit with a bucket of iced water.

  The deception lies in believing that you are saving money for your retirement: by “putting it in” to —a 401K for example when actually you are investing your money and led to believe you are going to make a lot more. But the focus is on saving money to retire. And that is the sophistry that lures people into investing their money believing that they are safely putting their money into some account. But a man hears what ge wants to hear and disregards the rest when being informed before they dish out their cash into these pockets.The question to ask beforehand is: At the end on the day what profit am I guaranteed to make?

  The vid uses the words investment and savings interchangeably to describe these so called retirement plans with brand names such as 401 —which according to the vid, these so called retirement plans are disguised schemes to borrow money from you for free, fooling you into believing that you are safely saving your money by putting in into an account, a retirement plan that you are investing in as if you are investing in your retirement but as it turns out, you are lending your money for peanuts.

  Getting back to your original post, Middle class don’t view “retirement plans” ( I hate these palatable labels) as investment but as savings for their retirement. They usually don’t invest so they are conned into it with these schemes with fancy words and labels and sophistry and are duped into lending their money for free. Had they thought about it, as you posted, they could have really invested their money. You mentioned 3 classed of people but there are in actuality 2 kinds of people: those who invest and those who don’t and the middle class don’t invest, they are hoodwinked into lending their money for free.
  
  
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  The Poor the Wealthy and the Middle Class

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  the poor spendthe middle-class savethe wealthy invest.

  the unique circumstances of the lockdown and stimulus checks has highlighted these differences in stark ways.. on one hand, you have jumps in sales and valuation of companies like foot locker and nike, as people spend their "free" government money on sneakers.

  they blow it on useless tat.

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  if they'd thought to invest

  Investment comes with a risk. The middle class doesn’t understands how investment works or even how or where to invest, or the middle class may not want to take the risk and feel it safer to save but given the opportunity, they may invest. But even when they do, most will never get rich. Sure, the investment can make people more money but not tons of it because you need to know what your are doing, it is risky and it ain’t easy. Regarding the poor, they live for today and it is easy to spend free money on 500 dollar sneakers made in Asia. That is the nature of the beast and why the poor will always be poor. Even with opportunities, they choose the life from hand to mouth because that is the way some people are. The rich have extra money and can afford to take a chance on investment or they just have extra money that they put to work for them whereas the middle class doesn’t have all that extra money that they can dedicate to investment. But everything considered it depends on the type of individual whether they have that drive to invest.
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  Help with 1975 please

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i answered a question on quora about jw flip flops .

  i mentioned, amongst other things , the 1975 debacle.

  how witnesses were told that armageddon was coming in the fall of that year.

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  either were not alive at the time or have developed selective amnesia.

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  It is true that “Aid to Bible Understanding” aka the aid book published in 1969 by WT stated ( my copy still does) that Eve gave birth to Seth at the age of 130. It also states on page 333 that Seth was born 130 years after the creation of Adam. What can the JW reader conclude about 1975 when comparing these 2 articles? Another variable in the 1975 equation though, is what the Scriptures Inspired book said about the uncertainty of the date of the creation of Eve, therefore, possibly extending 1975. ( Today, 1975 is stated in the Insight book as 6,000 years from the creation of Adam and it also states that Seth was born 130 years after the creation of Adam.

  Keep in mind that 1975 as the start of the Millennium is based on the premise that the 7th Creative Day is 7000 years in length. Back then the WT taught that each creative day is 7000 years in length so the age of universe would only be about 48,000 years old but today the Insight Book offers a different theory.

  It was business as usual for the WT as 1975 approached and went although in the midst of that, wt literature showed that the Millennium would start circa 1975 but wt literature did not SAY that the “end” would come in 1975.

  Today, because science has evidently falsified the belief that the universe or the earth is 48,000 years old as the case may be (here is the history of the heavens and the earth), also affects the belief that the 7th creative day with the Millennium is 7000 years long although it is still very logical to believe it is even though the other creative days may be billions.
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  Help with 1975 please

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i answered a question on quora about jw flip flops .

  i mentioned, amongst other things , the 1975 debacle.

  how witnesses were told that armageddon was coming in the fall of that year.

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  That Eve was created and God's sabbath began less than a year after Adam's creation.

  According to JW back then, the sixth creative day ended after the creation of Eve but because the Bible does not say when Eve was created, at first it was believed that Adam and Eve were created very close together so 1975 was the awaited date for something to happen. Later it was believed that Eve must have been created some years later after Adam and everyone waited for Eve to be created. What WT did in the publications back then was to show how it was logical for the Millennium to start 1000 years before the end of the 7th creative day. Everything added up and made sense although the publications did not actually declare that the end would come in 1975 but JW came to that conclusion from reading the printed information and it was believed by all although not actually stated in print. However, the faith of the JW about the Millennium does not rest upon whether or not its date can be extrapolated by WT. They still believe it will come.
  
  
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  Science news articles supporting biological evolution, including by discoveries of fossils

  by Disillusioned JW in

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  "a billion-year-old fossil of an organism, exquisitely preserved in the scottish highlands, reveals features of multicellularity nearly 400 million years before the biological trait emerged in the first animals, according to a new report in the journal current biology by an international team of researchers, including boston college paleobotanist paul k. strother.." see https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/528947 and https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/news/billion-year-old-fossil-reveals-missing-link-evolution-animals for details.. the first article listed above says the following.. "the microfossil, discovered at loch torridon, contains two distinct cell types and could be the earliest example of complex multicellularity ever recorded, according to the researchers.

  the fossil offers new insight into the transition of single celled organisms to complex, multicellular animals.

  modern single-celled holozoa include the most basal living animals and the fossil discovered shows an organism which lies somewhere between single cell and multicellular animals, or metazoa.".

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  400 million years before the biological trait emerged in the first animals,

  400 trillion years—not million.
  
  
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  Help with 1975 please

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i answered a question on quora about jw flip flops .

  i mentioned, amongst other things , the 1975 debacle.

  how witnesses were told that armageddon was coming in the fall of that year.

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  say the test happens "at the end" and not after?

  Doesn’t seem wt is implying that the test occurs during the 1000 years before it ends because the other teachings I mentioned before qualify what they mean. Need to look at the base text that is translated from to see why they choose to use the words they do.
  
  
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  Help with 1975 please

  by jhine in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i answered a question on quora about jw flip flops .

  i mentioned, amongst other things , the 1975 debacle.

  how witnesses were told that armageddon was coming in the fall of that year.

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  Fisherman

  It might, it could. But they didn't say.

  It would be dishonest to make this claim. Like asking: “What does 6000+1000=?7000, right?” Then proving it, then saying they never said the answer is 7000.