Posts by Fisherman

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wt white washes david again why?

by waton in

in today's wt "study, "merci" a lot of gaslighting.

on one hand: you will be judged the way you are judging, but twice "david" is seen as needlessly killing or intending to kill people for minor transgression, .

1) getting ready to kill nabel, all males not paying his extortion fees, and .

Fisherman

Everyone around him was punished but the criminal himself.

Not everyone around him—his sons, people that he loved dearly more than himself. Bitter punishment. Compared to secular, the factor in this equation is God.

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Commenting Ban?

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

do you think the watchtower will ban commenting at the meetings one day?

if you are pimo, you might want to try to make some comments to make others think about the “truth”!

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Firstly, the wt study is a lesson not an open discussion or a debate so as long as the person making a comment is not challenging what is being taught, he is not disrupting the meeting. Questions and answers is only a method of teaching instead of an hour lecture after the hour public talk.

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wt white washes david again why?

by waton in

in today's wt "study, "merci" a lot of gaslighting.

on one hand: you will be judged the way you are judging, but twice "david" is seen as needlessly killing or intending to kill people for minor transgression, .

1) getting ready to kill nabel, all males not paying his extortion fees, and .

Fisherman

David’s story shows that if you have money and position you can literally get away with murder

I don’t think King David got away with murder. Not only did his son with Bathsheba die, so did Absalom and all the other disasters that happened to him, and his sons later on as God predicted were going to happen to KD as punishment.

Also, a lot of Israelites were probably opposed to David continuing as king but he was appointed by God and God although punishing him also forgave him and backed him up and that is the point. God is the judge.

As it relates to JW and sins and how the JW org handles thing is another topic.

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Eating of blood prohibition specifically not forbidden for non-Jews

by peacefulpete in

deut 14:21 you shall not eat anything that has died a natural death; give it to the stranger in your community to eat, or you may sell it to a foreigner.

for you are a people consecrated to yhwh.... it seems quite self evident the ritual of blood letting prior to eating meat was understood by the deuteronomist as binding only on jews..

Fisherman

primers

Where is the difference?

No BT except for blood fractions approved by FDS.

more than simply a reiteration of the prohibition against eating it

Not using it to make fertilizer or products. Let’s say a JW would has a business slaughtering lifestock, he would directly be responsibility for not using blood from those animals as fertilizer, products or for other commercial products.

SC, Jewish is not the standard.

I still have my Soncino Library, Rashi Torah, etc., which I still use.

Keep abstaining

“Therefore, my decision is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from what is strangled, and from blood. NWT

JW's can and do hold professions in the medical field any use/handling of blood

Technicalities decided by the FDS

the allowance of hemoglobin based blood substitutes; the allowance of organ transplants and the prohibition on autologous transfusion.

Can’t see how to invalidate the Decree or interpret it a another way that does not include physically ingesting blood.

abandoned that argument years ago

JW do not accept blood transfusions. The reasons can be found in the online library including the “entry level” information.

Again, the Decree can’t be invalidated. How do you interpret the Decree?

What is the argument that JW abandoned?

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Roger aka Andre' cites scripture that contradicts major wt false doctrine.

by waton in

in the just finished wt study # 38, "--spiritual family" , par.

19 , " robert " is reported to have cited math: 12:50. note he has limited "bible knowledge" therefore is not fully indoctrinated.

jesus: .

Fisherman

" Whoever does the will of my father, who is in heaven, that one is my brother, sister and mother."

But also, “brother” can also mean and refer to Jesus brothers in the sense of the “heavenly calling”.

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Disfellowship

by justice34 in

jw
friends

i'm dealing right now with veru extreme situations that most of us have been in this sect.. i've talk to the elders because i was smoking cigarettes and i stopped for a couple of weeks.

the reason i did that because mamy things are going on right now in my life.

i'm out, i don't attend meetings i don't want to do anything with them anymore but i live in a small community so i want to go out without giving attention to anybody.. the reason i told them what i'm doing because my wife is still one of them and other people learn of some other things i have been doing and i had to tell something for obvious reasons.. the elsers tho the haven't answer to me back in 2 weeks almost and today one of them called me to give me some information.

Fisherman

This fellow shipped

This fell low sheep

This fellow shipped sheep

not 7 times but 77x7

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2/2022 WT: a repeated request & more doubletalk

by neat blue dog in

we all know the now famous quote, "all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

" well, this point is regurgitated in the latest wt, along with yet another new bunker scene:.

"during the great tribulation, we may receive instructions that seem strange, impractical, or illogical .

Fisherman

So, they think some RF are gonna be rebellious?

In the WT scenario this is not the concern. Only to reassure those that already have faith to continue to do so by submitting to direction.

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2/2022 WT: a repeated request & more doubletalk

by neat blue dog in

we all know the now famous quote, "all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

" well, this point is regurgitated in the latest wt, along with yet another new bunker scene:.

"during the great tribulation, we may receive instructions that seem strange, impractical, or illogical .

Fisherman

In any rank and file system, the subordinates need to follow orders. The related is just another way of saying “ you don’t know all of the facts in-spite of what things seem to you —do what you are told.”

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Eating of blood prohibition specifically not forbidden for non-Jews

by peacefulpete in

deut 14:21 you shall not eat anything that has died a natural death; give it to the stranger in your community to eat, or you may sell it to a foreigner.

for you are a people consecrated to yhwh.... it seems quite self evident the ritual of blood letting prior to eating meat was understood by the deuteronomist as binding only on jews..

Fisherman

Orthodox Jews aren't bothered by transfusions) (If your Dr. abstain alcohol... meat)

JW don’t believe in Pikuah Nephesh. And Jews don’t believe that medical use is the same as food use. Also, orthodox Jews are not the standard for interpreting the Bible according to JW.

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Eating of blood prohibition specifically not forbidden for non-Jews

by peacefulpete in

deut 14:21 you shall not eat anything that has died a natural death; give it to the stranger in your community to eat, or you may sell it to a foreigner.

for you are a people consecrated to yhwh.... it seems quite self evident the ritual of blood letting prior to eating meat was understood by the deuteronomist as binding only on jews..

Fisherman

TD

This is a quotation from the book “ What can the Bible teach us:

“Some years after Jesus’ death, the apostles and the elders in the Christian congregation in Jerusalem met to decide what parts of the Law given to the Israelites still applied to Christians. (Read Acts 15:28, 29; 21:25.) Jehovah helped them to understand that blood was still precious to him and that they still needed to view it as holy. The early Christians could not eat or drink blood or eat meat that had not been bled properly. If they did so, it was just as bad as worshipping idols or being sexually immoral. From that time onward, true Christians have refused to eat or drink blood. What about today? Jehovah still wants us to view blood as holy.”

So, according to WT, not only Noachide but also parts of the Law applies. Also, in the online library, wt explains that dead unbled animals may be used by alien residents but implies that blood may not be eaten by anybody in the context of eating unbled animals. And in the 2000 wt magazine, wt uses the word consume to describe the prohibition in the Apostolic decree. It is axiomatic that when a substance is consumed it is being used.

You stated that blood could be stored, however, Jewish commentators don’t say that.

“The Jewish Soncino Chumash notes: “The blood must not be stored but rendered unfit for consumption by pouring it on the ground.” No Israelite was to appropriate, store, and use the blood of another creature, whose life belonged to God.”— wt 12/15 2000

—Although interestingly, the proxy directive only cites the scriptures in Acts to support no blood transfusions. But the explanation of the meaning of the decree in Acts can be found in the publications. Simply put relating to blood transfusions, Abstain = consumption of blood. You define consumption of blood as digesting it and consuming blood any other way is not consuming blood.

How do you explain the decree stating that Christians need to abstain from blood?