Posts by Fisherman

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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only

by Marbles in

i was never a jdubb, only a bible student.

there are two main questions i have.

let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.

Fisherman

Animals dont become unconscious as soon as their throat is cut.

That is axiomatic and I did not say that they did.

Also, peta.org says that the bolt is meant to stun the cow. I’m only quoting them. Also, some years ago someone who worked at a slaughtering house who used the rod on cows told me all about it but I don’t remember. I remember he said that the cow was lifted and hung with chains after the air piston to the brain. I don’t remember if he said they first used electricity before the rod to the brain.

However cows slaughtered in today’s gov approved slaughter houses seems more merciful than production slaughtering with a knife by religious butchers— but I don’t know. JW only require that the animal be bled. Cruelty to animals is also forbidden in the Bible but killing an animal for food is not.

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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only

by Marbles in

i was never a jdubb, only a bible student.

there are two main questions i have.

let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.

Fisherman

jehovah" forgave David, how do we know that?

We conclude that by what is written in the Scriptures and obviously because he wasn’t put to death and God kept his covenant with him producing Jesus also David wrote under inspiration after his sin and God continued to communicate with him.

jehovah" supported the wt, how do we know that.

JW believe that and personally conclude that on their own.

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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only

by Marbles in

i was never a jdubb, only a bible student.

there are two main questions i have.

let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.

Fisherman

offensive, probably fictional character. written by the victors

Waton, that is a separate subject matter. My post is limited to what the text says and how it can be interpreted not whether it is fact or fiction.

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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only

by Marbles in

i was never a jdubb, only a bible student.

there are two main questions i have.

let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.

Fisherman

Marbles,

The gist of the Christian Bible is that Jesus will return to usher in the kingdom of God. In the meantime, natural Israel was replaced by a spiritual Israel consisting of Gentiles and some individual descendants of the 12 tribes. The Israel’s ritualistic practices under the law and the covenant between God and the ancient Israelites consisting of the mitzvot was abolished upon the death of Jesus. Rabbinical Judaism adds nothing to Christianity: resurrecting the dead and healing humanity and being able to live for eternity. Christianity deals with proselytizing or preaching the kingdom of God and Christian living as outlined in the CS. The Oral law and the modern day Pharisaical approach concerns itself with the application of the Torah as interpreted by the Rabbis: ritualistic, ceremonial, tedious rules of conduct. Rabbinical law also enjoins 7 additional mitzvot —all for nothing according to the Christian Scriptures. There is very interesting information in the Talmud for example hiw the high priest had a rope tied around him before entering the most holy on the day of atonement, details about the celebration of booths and many other things but not important to understanding the OT from the perspective of the Christian Scriptures.

JW believe that blood transfusions violate God’s law. Best place to read about it is on the JW website. Can a Christian pump a quart of blood into his body for medical reasons as long as it bypasses his stomach? WT says no.

The Septuagint OT was available in the first century. First Christians were Jews who had the OT such as Paul who was a Pharisee. As Christianity spread so did the OT.

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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only

by Marbles in

i was never a jdubb, only a bible student.

there are two main questions i have.

let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.

Fisherman

they can argue,

Waton, Jesus was a “Son of David” “Save we pray, Blessed is he who comes in the name of Jehovah.” It was God who forgave David and allowed Jesus to be tortured and murdered— not the Watchtower.

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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only

by Marbles in

i was never a jdubb, only a bible student.

there are two main questions i have.

let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.

Fisherman

The story makes it seem that David raped Bathsheba.

Thank you for bringing attention to Bathsheba’s role. David was convicted of murder and adultery not rape. So there needed to be a willingness or submission on her part regardless of her reasons. However, in the illustration that Nathan gave representing David’s actions, Bathsheba is pictured as a female lamb that king david killed which mitigates Bathsheba’s role. Another thing that needs to be considered is that there was no insidious scheme by Bathsheba or either of them that caused them to sin. It was circumstantial.

God’s justice is better than human’s because God is the standard for good so Uriah is no exception to someone that God allowed to be murdered like with Cain, Jesus, Steven and others. There is case law in the Bible where God executed the offspring of sinners such as in the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, Amalek and others. If there is one thing David had learned from reading God’s law was that his conduct would affect the life of his offspring. So David was to blame for the death of his adulterine son.

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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only

by Marbles in

i was never a jdubb, only a bible student.

there are two main questions i have.

let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.

Fisherman

Marbles,

Your questions can be answer from various theological perspectives and schools of thought. But understanding such answers and the reasons is not so easy to understand. For example, Talmudic Judaism teaches that angels don’t have free will in-spite of Rashi’s commentary on Gen 6:2. Rashi offers 2 explanations for benihaelohim. Talmudic Judaism prefers one because that is the same explanation Ramban uses in his commentary when he refers to Rashi—but even so, Rashi’s hated explanation for the verse is nonetheless still valid. Therefore, Talmudic Judaism concludes that Satan is a holy angel doing his job as prosecutor in God’s Court— sort of speak. And that evil comes from God even though He is holy—imagine that. Therefore, some Rabbi’s have commented that the holocaust came from God—imagine that. Christianity teaches that Satan is the source of evil although God sometimes allows evil to happen to his servants.

Talmudic Jews base their logic on the premise that the oral law us inspired. The Talmud stands on its own merit and cannot be debunked even with Tanakh whereas the Christian Scriptures depend on the OT and integrates itself with the OT.

For example, the Tannaim comment that the only sin king David committed relating to Uriah was not consulting with the sanhedrin and that king David did not murder Uriah. It uses sophistry in my opinion to argue that Uriah had slighted the king authorizing the king to execute Uriah and that during war married women became divorced from their husbands authorizing king david to sleep with Uriah’s wife in-spite of what Nathan told King David about his sin. Christianity though, refers to Bathsheba as the wife of Uriah. The christian scriptures interpret the OT based on context, literary device of the ot, teachings of Jesus whereas the Talmud interprets the Bible as an authority regardless of context and text implications.

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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only

by Marbles in

i was never a jdubb, only a bible student.

there are two main questions i have.

let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.

Fisherman

the animal is killed and then instantly has its throat cut to bleed it.

In non religious slaughterhouses, hopefully the animal is stunned so that it doesn’t feel pain and then bled. In the US, for example, cattle is shot in the head through the brain with an air piston device. In Bible times, however, there were no modern stunning methods. All they had was a knife and cutting the cartoid artery with a sharp knife rendered the animal unconscious before it was aware of it as it bled to death. That was the most humane method at that time.

Today, for production line slaughtering in religious slaughterhouses that is very time consuming so they use another method to secure the neck so they can cut it, which causes pain to the animal as the animal is struggling.—Romans 8:22 But the Jewish slaughterhouses, I believe, have a higher standard for healthy animals and I believe they sell below standard animals to gov inspected meat plants.

Another way to look at this is that being killed is painful any way. Making it less painful, the animal still suffers.

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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only

by Marbles in

i was never a jdubb, only a bible student.

there are two main questions i have.

let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.

Fisherman

My understanding is that the Jewish Rabbis who wrote the OT

Rabbis wrote the Mishnah and the Gemara not the OT.

The JW believe that the law covenant did not apply to Gentiles and further the same Mosaic law was abolished by the death of Jesus except the Noachide law pertaining to blood which preceded the law of Moses as stated in the Chumash. According to the “NT” command “Keep abstaining from blood,” JW believe this to mean that blood transfusions, eating blood or using some blood products such as those containing whole blood are forbidden. TD made an interesting rebuttal based on Pekuah Nephesh and God’s Law to Israel referring to the Torah: “ That you may LIVE by them. But this does not invalidate the command to Christians that they should abstain from blood as JW see it. According to today’s Pharisaic Judaism, any command can be broken to save a life except for murder, idolatry and adultery. JW believe that none of God’s commands can be broken including the one on blood as it applies to Christians even to “save a life”. TD argued that Jesus pointed to king David when he and his men ate the loaves of presentation which was not lawful to show his disciples did not sin by picking grain on the Sabbath. However, Jesus never said that this applied to making an allowance for Christians eating blood. Nor is it logical to conclude that.

Also, Karaite Jews reject the Talmudic interpretation of the OT as inspired or as the oral law. For example, they eat meat and dairy together.

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Watchtower says you can be Disfellowshiped for being Fat!

by Witness 007 in

watchtower 1974 p.167 "by disobediently over indulging in food and making a glutton of himself he shows no love for jehovah..in the presents of others does he ignore their needs and selfishly take more then his fair share?

is he grossly overweight gorging himself?

does he feel uncomfortable even getting sick...this person has no place in the congregation of god...they will not inherit gods kingdom.".

Fisherman

Gluttony

Seems to me that food was not easy to get in Bible times and if you greedily ate too much meant somebody else was affected —like if you greedily ate somebody else’s share of the food. I can see someone getting DF today under those set of circumstances —but when there is plenty of food for everybody around you, that ain’t gluttony.