Posts by Fisherman

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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only

by Marbles in

i was never a jdubb, only a bible student.

there are two main questions i have.

let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.

Fisherman

Christians acquired Jewish scripture to begin with

To begin with, Paul and other Jews that became Christians had access to the OT text in scrolls at the time.

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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only

by Marbles in

i was never a jdubb, only a bible student.

there are two main questions i have.

let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.

It is a fact that the Romans plundered the 2nd Temple aka Herod’s Temple. The arch of Titus proves it. Jesus said of the Jews: “The kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a goy producing its fruits.” Assuming this is true, God took the OT away from the Jews and gave it to Christians —I’m just speculating or guessing.

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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only

by Marbles in

i was never a jdubb, only a bible student.

there are two main questions i have.

let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.

Fisherman

Solomon's Temple will be re-built?

No. The Christian Scriptures do not teach that. No more building a temple on earth. As the CS explains, rebuilding bethhamekdash means a spiritual substance in heaven. For example, the Israel of God that replaced the Jews is referred to as the New Jerusalem. The Jewish system of things which was once approved by God destroyed by the Romans is over forever .You can read all about it at the jw online library. Ultimately the individual communication with God that Adam had will be restored and that is the temple right there but before getting to that point, the Messianic Kingdom in heaven replaces all of that “earthly” structure. Also, the return to Jerusalem as taught by the Rabbis is not taught in the CS. Rabbinical Jews have a literal interpretation of the restoration prophecies whereas the CS spiritualizes the meaning. This is a very difficult topic to explain. Trying to simplify the best I can but information is posted online.

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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only

by Marbles in

i was never a jdubb, only a bible student.

there are two main questions i have.

let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.

Fisherman

Animals dont become unconscious as soon as their throat is cut.

That is axiomatic and I did not say that they did.

Also, peta.org says that the bolt is meant to stun the cow. I’m only quoting them. Also, some years ago someone who worked at a slaughtering house who used the rod on cows told me all about it but I don’t remember. I remember he said that the cow was lifted and hung with chains after the air piston to the brain. I don’t remember if he said they first used electricity before the rod to the brain.

However cows slaughtered in today’s gov approved slaughter houses seems more merciful than production slaughtering with a knife by religious butchers— but I don’t know. JW only require that the animal be bled. Cruelty to animals is also forbidden in the Bible but killing an animal for food is not.

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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only

by Marbles in

i was never a jdubb, only a bible student.

there are two main questions i have.

let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.

Fisherman

jehovah" forgave David, how do we know that?

We conclude that by what is written in the Scriptures and obviously because he wasn’t put to death and God kept his covenant with him producing Jesus also David wrote under inspiration after his sin and God continued to communicate with him.

jehovah" supported the wt, how do we know that.

JW believe that and personally conclude that on their own.

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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only

by Marbles in

i was never a jdubb, only a bible student.

there are two main questions i have.

let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.

Fisherman

offensive, probably fictional character. written by the victors

Waton, that is a separate subject matter. My post is limited to what the text says and how it can be interpreted not whether it is fact or fiction.

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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only

by Marbles in

i was never a jdubb, only a bible student.

there are two main questions i have.

let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.

Fisherman

Marbles,

The gist of the Christian Bible is that Jesus will return to usher in the kingdom of God. In the meantime, natural Israel was replaced by a spiritual Israel consisting of Gentiles and some individual descendants of the 12 tribes. The Israel’s ritualistic practices under the law and the covenant between God and the ancient Israelites consisting of the mitzvot was abolished upon the death of Jesus. Rabbinical Judaism adds nothing to Christianity: resurrecting the dead and healing humanity and being able to live for eternity. Christianity deals with proselytizing or preaching the kingdom of God and Christian living as outlined in the CS. The Oral law and the modern day Pharisaical approach concerns itself with the application of the Torah as interpreted by the Rabbis: ritualistic, ceremonial, tedious rules of conduct. Rabbinical law also enjoins 7 additional mitzvot —all for nothing according to the Christian Scriptures. There is very interesting information in the Talmud for example hiw the high priest had a rope tied around him before entering the most holy on the day of atonement, details about the celebration of booths and many other things but not important to understanding the OT from the perspective of the Christian Scriptures.

JW believe that blood transfusions violate God’s law. Best place to read about it is on the JW website. Can a Christian pump a quart of blood into his body for medical reasons as long as it bypasses his stomach? WT says no.

The Septuagint OT was available in the first century. First Christians were Jews who had the OT such as Paul who was a Pharisee. As Christianity spread so did the OT.

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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only

by Marbles in

i was never a jdubb, only a bible student.

there are two main questions i have.

let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.

Fisherman

they can argue,

Waton, Jesus was a “Son of David” “Save we pray, Blessed is he who comes in the name of Jehovah.” It was God who forgave David and allowed Jesus to be tortured and murdered— not the Watchtower.

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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only

by Marbles in

i was never a jdubb, only a bible student.

there are two main questions i have.

let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.

Fisherman

The story makes it seem that David raped Bathsheba.

Thank you for bringing attention to Bathsheba’s role. David was convicted of murder and adultery not rape. So there needed to be a willingness or submission on her part regardless of her reasons. However, in the illustration that Nathan gave representing David’s actions, Bathsheba is pictured as a female lamb that king david killed which mitigates Bathsheba’s role. Another thing that needs to be considered is that there was no insidious scheme by Bathsheba or either of them that caused them to sin. It was circumstantial.

God’s justice is better than human’s because God is the standard for good so Uriah is no exception to someone that God allowed to be murdered like with Cain, Jesus, Steven and others. There is case law in the Bible where God executed the offspring of sinners such as in the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, Amalek and others. If there is one thing David had learned from reading God’s law was that his conduct would affect the life of his offspring. So David was to blame for the death of his adulterine son.

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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only

by Marbles in

i was never a jdubb, only a bible student.

there are two main questions i have.

let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.

Fisherman

Marbles,

Your questions can be answer from various theological perspectives and schools of thought. But understanding such answers and the reasons is not so easy to understand. For example, Talmudic Judaism teaches that angels don’t have free will in-spite of Rashi’s commentary on Gen 6:2. Rashi offers 2 explanations for benihaelohim. Talmudic Judaism prefers one because that is the same explanation Ramban uses in his commentary when he refers to Rashi—but even so, Rashi’s hated explanation for the verse is nonetheless still valid. Therefore, Talmudic Judaism concludes that Satan is a holy angel doing his job as prosecutor in God’s Court— sort of speak. And that evil comes from God even though He is holy—imagine that. Therefore, some Rabbi’s have commented that the holocaust came from God—imagine that. Christianity teaches that Satan is the source of evil although God sometimes allows evil to happen to his servants.

Talmudic Jews base their logic on the premise that the oral law us inspired. The Talmud stands on its own merit and cannot be debunked even with Tanakh whereas the Christian Scriptures depend on the OT and integrates itself with the OT.

For example, the Tannaim comment that the only sin king David committed relating to Uriah was not consulting with the sanhedrin and that king David did not murder Uriah. It uses sophistry in my opinion to argue that Uriah had slighted the king authorizing the king to execute Uriah and that during war married women became divorced from their husbands authorizing king david to sleep with Uriah’s wife in-spite of what Nathan told King David about his sin. Christianity though, refers to Bathsheba as the wife of Uriah. The christian scriptures interpret the OT based on context, literary device of the ot, teachings of Jesus whereas the Talmud interprets the Bible as an authority regardless of context and text implications.