Posts by Fisherman

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Will the ministry ever resume?

by optimisticskeptic in

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going on 2+ years of no public ministry.

can't imagine anyone is really enjoying letter writing still or that it's remotely effective.

i'm a little shocked that we haven't resumed yet but i guess that's what happens when the org is run by a bunch of old people (ie high risk for covid) and a bunch of other sheltered germaphobes.

Fisherman

If covid dies out, double up.

Only 2 ways the ministry will stop: 1 GT, 2 Succeed is stopping JW.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Fisherman

So Scholar...are you saying that Jesus was warning people in his generation exclusively to pray that their flight not be in winter or on a Sabbath Day Correct.

Sholar

Don’t know the latest wt commentary on this scripture but everybody had plenty of time to escape in 66CE, pregnant women, babies, etc—4 years! so Sabbath and winter did not actually apply at all then. If the individual waited till the second time around in 70 to flee then the scripture applies literally. Latest wt commentary is no antitipycal as a general rule but this scripture can be spiritualized to apply to the Parousia.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Fisherman

must be the destruction of Jerusalem.

That is not true at all. The Parousia, the sign of the son of man, separating sheep and goats and the Millennium did not happen then.

Sun and moon have become dark, And the stars have lost their brightness.

And I will give wonders in the heavens and on the earth, Blood and fire and columns of smoke. 31 The sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood Before the coming of the great and awe-inspiring day of Jehovah.

For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, just as Jehovah has said

13 Thrust in a sickle, for the harvest is ripe.

14 Crowds, crowds are in the valley of the decision,

Sun and moon will become dark, And the stars will lose their brightness. 16 And Jehovah will roar out

Let the bridegroom go out from his inner chamber, and the bride from her bridal chamber

It is a day of darkness and gloom, A day of clouds and thick gloom, Like light of dawn spreading out on the mountains

Its appearance is like the appearance of horses, And they run like warhorses.

SOUND FAMLIAR?

What is the rest of the Bible implying. What are the verses you cited implying? Simply the destruction of Jerusalem for the second time?

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Fisherman

So what generation do you believe Jesus was referring in Matthew 24:34?

We know for sure generation applied to his time in terms of time because the end came in 70CE. We don’t know how the word generation applies to 1914. We believe it does apply because generation in that verse also encompasses the Parousia.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Fisherman

every time Jesus specified (hutos genea) this generation in all 4 gospels, it always referred to his own unbelieving generation. Van,

Since the text encompasses the parousia it could apply to it too.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Fisherman

Hi Van

Your flight" means that some in Christ's audience would experience the vengeance of God if they could not escape in time. Your organization acknowledges this.

We know in hindsight that was the case in 70CE for those that failed to use discernment when Gallus surrounded Jerusalem. There were other variables that could prevent people from escaping even if they wanted to. Some that were preventable some that depended on the individual relationship with God. A pregnant woman had plenty of time to flee 66CE because the siege came in 70. If that is a pattern for us today there is a symbolic application.

The context of the fleeing is not symbolic

Fleeing is not symbolic. However, the 2nd seige of Jerusalem occurred in the Spring. The first siege by Gallus also applied to everybody inside Jerusalem at the same time and season so how could winter and Sabbath apply to only one The focus here is: the individual, his flight and prayer to God.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Fisherman

Hi Van

The context of the fleeing is not symbolic

Fleeing is not symbolic. However, the 2nd seige of Jerusalem occurred in the Spring. The first siege by Gallus also applied to everybody inside Jerusalem at the same time and season so how could winter and Sabbath apply to only one The focus here is: the individual, his flight and prayer to God.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Fisherman

Hi Van

The context of the fleeing is not symbolic

Fleeing is not symbolic. However, the 2nd seige of Jerusalem occurred in the Spring. The first siege by Gallus also applied to everybody inside Jerusalem at thevdame time and season so how could winter and Sabbath apply to everybody at the same time. The focus here is: the individual, his flight and prayer to God.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Fisherman

So what generation do you believe Jesus was referring in Matthew 24:34?

We know for sure generation applied to his time in terms of time because the end came in 70CE. We don’t know how the word generation applies to 1914. We believe it does apply because generation in that verse also encompasses the Parousia.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Fisherman

Fisherman: Yes

I already explained that Sabbath and winter are for everybody but the verse says ”YOUR flight” so axiomatically symbolic. You can do whatever you like pray or not pray but God's word tell us that we need to supplicate God.