Is the Bible and what it says about the resurrection of the dead, eternal life, the Millennium, the return of Christ all bunk? If not, when does this all happen?
Fisherman
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Start of the Great Tribulation will be announced soon
by joey jojo inat the 2021 annual meeting, samuel herd revealed new light and claimed the anointed will all have passed away before armageddon.
it has since been revealed that while they will die before armageddon, there will be some anointed still around that will witness the start of the great tribulation.. so the question is, how many years until the existing members of the governing body have passed away?.
im not a doctor, but based on their age and various stages of obesity, im thinking 10- 15 years- give or take, sounds about right.. with that in mind, the great tribulation could be announced any day.. the new understanding has now freed the org from the burden of having to identify a particular generation in relation to the date of armageddon.
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Fisherman
jerusalem" coming down to Earth
It is a heavenly entity and not part of the earth at that time. Jesus and the elite that make up the Messianic kingdom and rule from the heavens But the point of Jesus word trampling is Gentile ruling, until the appointment times of the nations when the kingdom was established in the heavens according to Rev which is the allusion in Luke. So, the Olivette refers to the destruction of Jerusalem which happened in 70 and to the end of Gentile Times. If you don’t want to believe that happened in 1914, ok but the Parousia is connected to the end of the Gentile times.
Judaism rejects the Greek Scriptures and Jesus as playing any role in God’s purpose. The destruction of Jerusalem did not convince them, but we will all see if that is true when the son of man in revealed.
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Fisherman
Interestingly in Luke 21:24 at the Olivette, Jesus refers to the Gentile Times. So there is a connection between the Gentile Times and the Parousia seen here.
One could erroneously conclude that the trampling of Jerusalem would begin in 70. But, keep in mind that Jerusalem was destroyed once before in 607 and continued under Gentile rule. Amazing that Jesus would allude to the 7x at at Olivette! with the poetic word trampling. It is also amazing that therafter a heavenly Jerusalem is spoken of in the Christian Scriptures that cannot be trampled on because it is not on the earth.
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Fisherman
simple 1914 question ?
537-70=607: 7x=1914 1914 generation = Parousia
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Fisherman
WW 2 was far worse than AD70 to the Jews.
Not spiritually. 70 marked the end of the Jewish era. Back in 70, they were verified natural Israelites by lineage with documentation to establish tribe, priestly rights, land and inheritance rights and they had Temple and Holy Land. Thereafter, like the northern 10 tribes became the Samaritans, Rabbinical Judaism emerged composed of a people that married converted Gentiles. Are the descendants of the 70 survivors “Jews”—-to God because such practice a form of Judaism ? By what standard is a person a “Jew” because the person practices some form of Judaism and where is God in the equation since Jew in ww2 was about religion and not race? So 70 was the end of the Bible Jews, there was no salvation from Jehovah: “The kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation producing its fruits.And, “ Look your house is abandoned to you…” Also, God rejected natural Israel and chose an Israel of God with no provision for restoration—the end. We know that 70 was a punishment upon the Jews but were the people of WW2 that you refer to “Jews” to God? So 70 was really the end.
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Impossible: -these buildings and are already destroyed.
“Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your Parousia and of the conclusion of the system of things?” 4 In answer Jesus said:”
Jesus parousia did not occur back then and the world continued till its present age. Jesus answered more than one question. Part of his answer applies to the era of his return.
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Fisherman
So which of the above best approximates your view of the 1914 generation that you "seemingly" acknowledge Matthew 24:21 & 34 exclusively apply to? Hopefully seemingly will soon be clarified.
Watchtower knows that they were wrong in their application of generation to 1914— but that doesn’t debunk 1914. And that doesn’t falsify that the Olivette has a greater fulfillment.
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." Mt 24:21
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Mt 24:34
History proves this happened in 70CE. There is reason to believe that before the Millennium this prophecy applies to all the earth.
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Scholarly views quality in explaining language and interpretation of archeology and history and secular facts but not qualified as an authority in spiritual things such as doctrine and interpretation of prophecy although such commentaries as a reference may or may not be correct about spiritual things.
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Will the ministry ever resume?
by optimisticskeptic ingoing on 2+ years of no public ministry.
can't imagine anyone is really enjoying letter writing still or that it's remotely effective.
i'm a little shocked that we haven't resumed yet but i guess that's what happens when the org is run by a bunch of old people (ie high risk for covid) and a bunch of other sheltered germaphobes.
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Fisherman
If covid dies out, double up.
Only 2 ways the ministry will stop: 1 GT, 2 Succeed is stopping JW.
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Fisherman
So Scholar...are you saying that Jesus was warning people in his generation exclusively to pray that their flight not be in winter or on a Sabbath Day Correct.
Sholar
Don’t know the latest wt commentary on this scripture but everybody had plenty of time to escape in 66CE, pregnant women, babies, etc—4 years! so Sabbath and winter did not actually apply at all then. If the individual waited till the second time around in 70 to flee then the scripture applies literally. Latest wt commentary is no antitipycal as a general rule but this scripture can be spiritualized to apply to the Parousia.