Posts by Fisherman

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According to Jehovah's Witnesses, who will be saved?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i know who won't be saved according to witnesses and that includes just about everyone alive at armageddon who is not a jehovah’s witness.

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others who are permanently lost include adam and eve, those who died in the flood, people of sodom and gomorrah and apostates to their one true religion..

Fisherman

Thus, my last post shows from God's Word who actually gets saved.

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Why do JWs love bomb?

by Smiles in

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we know what mentally-in jws believe they are doing when they "love one another"... and many of us here formerly participated in that culty love bombing behavior.. why?.

According to Jehovah's Witnesses, who will be saved?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i know who won't be saved according to witnesses and that includes just about everyone alive at armageddon who is not a jehovah’s witness.

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others who are permanently lost include adam and eve, those who died in the flood, people of sodom and gomorrah and apostates to their one true religion..

Fisherman

be reconciled to God NOW?

Christians suffer and die now and some even fall away from the faith:

1 Corinthians 15:22-28 (nwt-E) — For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each one in his own proper order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence. 24 Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.

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According to Jehovah's Witnesses, who will be saved?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i know who won't be saved according to witnesses and that includes just about everyone alive at armageddon who is not a jehovah’s witness.

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others who are permanently lost include adam and eve, those who died in the flood, people of sodom and gomorrah and apostates to their one true religion..

Fisherman

This is the false gospel of the WT. It was unknown to the apostles

says that there is NOW no condemnation for born again believers.

You are incorrect:

“(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ended.)” Rev 20:5

Adam became a living soul not a dying soul. Humanity NOW is dying due to imperfection and sin. After the 1000 years when humans reach the point of perfection like before Adam sinned and became a dying soul, humans become living souls ( ..and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living person..”)

“Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Maʹgog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea.”

These people are not saved, fire comes down from heaven and destroys them. However, those that walk faultlessly will be saved. They won’t die. They will live forever on a paradise earth: “4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more.”

This is not a false gospel. It is God’s word.

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According to Jehovah's Witnesses, who will be saved?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i know who won't be saved according to witnesses and that includes just about everyone alive at armageddon who is not a jehovah’s witness.

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others who are permanently lost include adam and eve, those who died in the flood, people of sodom and gomorrah and apostates to their one true religion..

Fisherman

No, the bible tells us exactly what will happen to the righteous and unrighteous.

You don’t grasp mentally because we don’t know for sure what the Bible means by righteous and unrighteous first as it relates to those that will and will not be resurrected , so it is a guess.

Note that there is a distinction between unrighteous and the wicked also. The verse does not say that the wicked will be resurrected. That distinction is made by God so we don’t know.

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Did becoming a JW influence you to give up something you enjoyed ?

by smiddy3 in

when i was a teenager a younger fellow workmate was involved in the sport of judo.i got interested and went along to a number of sessions and took to it like a sponge to water ,and as a sport i was happy participating in.. not that much longer another workmate was getting re-activated in the religion of jw`s.

which i had never heard o before and then got interested in that .. conflict : was judo a sport that was compatible with j.w beliefs?

sadly i decided it was not and stopped any further involvement.. to this day i resent that decision i made back then .and i`m 82 years old now.. it was a sport i was comfortable doing and i enjoyed it.and i gave it up because of the religion .who knows what i may have achieved had i continued with it.

Fisherman

Also, Smiddy as you and the rest of us know, sin is very enjoyable and to become a JW we had to give up sinning. We dedicated our lives to God and put that first in our lives and that also requires giving up a lot of things.

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According to Jehovah's Witnesses, who will be saved?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i know who won't be saved according to witnesses and that includes just about everyone alive at armageddon who is not a jehovah’s witness.

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others who are permanently lost include adam and eve, those who died in the flood, people of sodom and gomorrah and apostates to their one true religion..

Fisherman

Can you walk faultlessly? If not, you got a problem. Why quote the scriptures that condemn you and ignore the ones that save you?

You can look up the word translated faultlessly in the NWT in Strong’s meaning integrity. I understand and get the sense of the Hebrew word, you don’t. A person walking in his integrity can fall and the ransom covers sins but this doesn’t mean that a person can ignore this scripture and not walk in his integrity. However, this scripture also alludes to human perfection. The NWT loyal to the Hebrew language uses the English word faultlessly. After humanity reaches perfection at the end of the thousand years and walks faultlessly can eat of the tree of life and be saved. In the meantime, we can walk in integrity and remain in God’s favor even if we fall at times.

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Canada : Baby of Jehovah's Witness parents may receive blood transfusions

by yalbmert99 in

canada, province of québec : baby of jehovah's witness parents may receive blood transfusions.

in french, use google translate for english.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1907941/temoin-jehovah-transfusion-sang-anemie.

Fisherman

Hi Smid,

ever regretted what they had done.

There is no place to hide. First of all JW parents are not quacks except for their no blood beliefs which are deemed unreasonable . So, being loving parents, they will run to the hospital for their children. And guess what will happen at the hospital. They will take better care of their child but if the child “needs” blood, there is nothing they can do. Marvin Shilmer and I had a very heated discussion on this Smid, many years ago. Like you, he was a very likable person, as a person, not his views. But I feel such a loss to JW to lose a man like this. I’m sure he was hurt very profoundly by something inside the org. My discussions with him were a real pleasure though— although very heated.

I do know of cases where a blood transfusion saved children’s lives. One was an open heart surgery and back then they really didn’t have the technology to do bloodless. Another case involved a newborn with RH and there was no other way for the baby to live and the blood transfusion was successful and he is still alive today. There are negative cases too. One premature baby in-spite of the JW parents protests was transfused and died immediately after the transfusion another one got hepatitis from the blood and it was a real tragedy to mention but this was many years ago. My point Smid is that if the child needs blood the doctors will give it to him and there is nothing the parent can do. Oh I forgot to mention this case. A JW parent sneaked a child out of a hospital and took him to another hospital to avoid a blood transfusion. The other hospital successfully treated the child without the use of blood but the parent was arrested and prosecuted for doing so.

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According to Jehovah's Witnesses, who will be saved?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i know who won't be saved according to witnesses and that includes just about everyone alive at armageddon who is not a jehovah’s witness.

.

others who are permanently lost include adam and eve, those who died in the flood, people of sodom and gomorrah and apostates to their one true religion..

Fisherman

The great crowd will be saved according to Rev.

But if you die before A, we can only guess what the Bible means by righteous and unrighteous being resurrected. Then the Bible says that there is a final test after humanity reaches perfection at the end of the 1000 year reign of Christ.

This is the algorithm for salvation past present and future:

“O Jehovah, who may be a guest in your tent? Who may reside in your holy mountain? 2 The one who is walking faultlessly, Practicing what is right And speaking the truth in his heart. “—Compare Proverbs 28:18

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Should laws be passed compelling the church to report crimes?

by Fisherman in

if laws were passed compelling the church to report crimes to government authorities and there was no legal way around it and the church was forced to comply and did comply, nobody would confess their sins.

it wouldn’t stop people from committing crimes, they just wouldn’t tell their church about it.

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Fisherman

The point is that in the US of A, the Constitution is the supreme law of the land and the US government is not going to discard it. The constitution also protects the rights and privacy of criminals.

Relating to how the constitution applies to ecclesiastical privileges, here is what chief justice Berger said:

"The ecclesiastical privilege is rooted in the imperative need for confidence and trust. The... privilege recognizes the human need to disclose to a spiritual counselor, in total and absolute confidence, what are believed to be flawed acts or thoughts and to receive consolations and guidance in return."

A church elder or minister or priest or pastor has a duty to hold in confidence any information obtained during a counseling session.

A church official who violates this trust might be on the losing end of a suit for an invasion of privacy or defamation.