Posts by Fisherman

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Is This New?

by Lost in the fog in

it is a very long time since i was an elder and the elders textbooks have changed multiple times since then.

going back to when i was an elder, to the best of my knowledge the only way a spouse could divorce from his/her partner was porneia, if that person had sexual relations with a man, woman, child, or beast.

but it had to be proven and that's the dubious 2 witness rule.. in fact, if it was not proven and the innocent party divorced and married someone else, then they could be hauled up in front of a judicial committee and be charged with committing adultery and disfellowshipped!

Fisherman

elder's wife pinching the behind of another elder

People do seemingly wrong things but it depends on the intention and motive.

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Is This New?

by Lost in the fog in

it is a very long time since i was an elder and the elders textbooks have changed multiple times since then.

going back to when i was an elder, to the best of my knowledge the only way a spouse could divorce from his/her partner was porneia, if that person had sexual relations with a man, woman, child, or beast.

but it had to be proven and that's the dubious 2 witness rule.. in fact, if it was not proven and the innocent party divorced and married someone else, then they could be hauled up in front of a judicial committee and be charged with committing adultery and disfellowshipped!

Fisherman

God has said

From the narrative, God said it to Adam but nothing in the narrative shows either God or Adam speaking to her telling her telling her not to eat or touch. But obviously she believed the command applied to her because Eve articulated the law to the Serpent. (Both JW and Jewish commentators write that it was Adam that told his wife and added the part about not touching.) Also, the death penalty was not pronounced upon Eve by God. But although nothing in the narrative articulates the command to Eve, it shows the consequences upon her for her eating from the tree. —Or was it because of Adam eating —because nothing happened to her until Adam ate. The animals and the entire earth did nothing wrong but suffer along too. God asked Eve: “What is it you have done” and Eve replied: “I ate.” so you can conclude that it was wrong for her to eat because God pronounced a penalty upon her even though God did not say to her what she did wrong. To Adam, however, God told him that he ate from the tree commanded by God not to eat from and then pronounced the death sentence upon Adam for listening to his wife and not obeying his command and God cursed the ground because of Adam. According to the narrative It is clear why Adam is pushing up daisies but not Eve.

If a man’s wife is brazenly going around dating and touching other men or females even though she is not having se€ual relations with them is wrong because she is married, and the congregation can sanction her.

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Is This New?

by Lost in the fog in

it is a very long time since i was an elder and the elders textbooks have changed multiple times since then.

going back to when i was an elder, to the best of my knowledge the only way a spouse could divorce from his/her partner was porneia, if that person had sexual relations with a man, woman, child, or beast.

but it had to be proven and that's the dubious 2 witness rule.. in fact, if it was not proven and the innocent party divorced and married someone else, then they could be hauled up in front of a judicial committee and be charged with committing adultery and disfellowshipped!

Fisherman

the act of touching it, in order to decide whether to put it into the mouth, was in itself punishable by death

Does not say so in God’s Word. Adam was enjoined directly by God from eating the forbidden fruit but God did not tell Adam not to touch it. Also, the Bible does not say that God told Eve not to eat or touch the forbidden fruit. Eve wasn’t even created yet when God commanded Adam not to eat. How Eve was instructed not to eat it is interpretation, the Bible does not actually say but it seems Adam told her. Also, it was after Adam ate the forbidden fruit that the eyes of both of them were “opened” —and not at the time she touched or even ate the fruit. Bible says nothing about Hod punishing Adam or Evengor touching the fruit. The punishment was for eating the fruit not for touching it. Eve did not receive the death penalty either when God passed judgment on Eve. Death penalty was passed on Adam -returning to the dust. Eve was not created from the dust. She was formed from Adam’s rib. However, she also died and returned to the dust.

Also, JW cannot be DF for violating Bible principles such as marrying an unbeliever but for committing a DF offense and not repenting. —Although such JW would be looked down upon.

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Is This New?

by Lost in the fog in

it is a very long time since i was an elder and the elders textbooks have changed multiple times since then.

going back to when i was an elder, to the best of my knowledge the only way a spouse could divorce from his/her partner was porneia, if that person had sexual relations with a man, woman, child, or beast.

but it had to be proven and that's the dubious 2 witness rule.. in fact, if it was not proven and the innocent party divorced and married someone else, then they could be hauled up in front of a judicial committee and be charged with committing adultery and disfellowshipped!

Fisherman

Don’t sound like an elder. Only touching the gen&telia can be poernia, and marrying someone while scripturually being married to someone else can be deemed as adultery. The only difference now is that the so viewed adulterous marriage is now viewed as valid by the cong as I understand it. I could be wrong.

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The Multilocational Jesus

by Smiles in

if jesus is now so superpowerful that he can exist at multiple locations simultaneously (e.g., dwelling inside of a true believer and popping into all the best gatherings of two or more peeps in his name) why does jesus bother hiring angels to work gigs?

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Fisherman

Well said.

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Does Jesus Live Inside JW's ?

by Sea Breeze in

examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves.

know ye not your own selves, how that jesus christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

- 2 cor.

Fisherman

If Jesus dwells inside of people, why is he apparently not present where only ONE has gathered in his name?

I must confess, brilliant way of putting it.

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Does Jesus Live Inside JW's ?

by Sea Breeze in

examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves.

know ye not your own selves, how that jesus christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

- 2 cor.

Fisherman

Christ lives in me

Axiomatically, this is symbolic like saying “God is my throne”.

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Does Jesus Live Inside JW's ?

by Sea Breeze in

examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves.

know ye not your own selves, how that jesus christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

- 2 cor.

Fisherman

According the Bible, Jesus resides in heaven sitting at God’s right hand.

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According to Jehovah's Witnesses, who will be saved?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i know who won't be saved according to witnesses and that includes just about everyone alive at armageddon who is not a jehovah’s witness.

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others who are permanently lost include adam and eve, those who died in the flood, people of sodom and gomorrah and apostates to their one true religion..

Fisherman

Thus, my last post shows from God's Word who actually gets saved.

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Why do JWs love bomb?

by Smiles in

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we know what mentally-in jws believe they are doing when they "love one another"... and many of us here formerly participated in that culty love bombing behavior.. why?.

Fisherman

old school