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  Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

  mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

  and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

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  Fisherman

  There is no mechanism to "Jesus's" perfection.

  That is what the discussion is about.
  
  
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  Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

  mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

  and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

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  Fisherman

  You are limiting the scope of the discussion.

  I am not; posters can do what they like. I am just saying the the Topic is about the mechanics of Jesus’s perfection not about whether the Bible is false. Because the Bible describes Jesus as sinless and the Topic is based on that premise,
  
  
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  Watchtower looses Norwegian Appeal

  by Diogenesister in

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  2. current

  watchtower has just lost its appeal in the norwegian courts over the withdrawal of the funding it receives from the government as an officially recognised religion.

  the initial decision will now stand due to what the court termed 'exclusionary practices' which includes the witnesses barbaric practice of shunning minors, even by family members in their own homes.

  the ministry of children and families have decided they are now no longer eligible for the state grant of 16 million norwegian kroner given to officially recognised religions.. the following is a statement has been issued, i have summarised if it isn't readable: .

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  Fisherman

  Smid, based on God things to God. Rarely do the authorities act sua sponte on theses matters. Usually it is because someone complained who has beef against the JW religion.
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  Watchtower looses Norwegian Appeal

  by Diogenesister in

  1. social
  2. current

  watchtower has just lost its appeal in the norwegian courts over the withdrawal of the funding it receives from the government as an officially recognised religion.

  the initial decision will now stand due to what the court termed 'exclusionary practices' which includes the witnesses barbaric practice of shunning minors, even by family members in their own homes.

  the ministry of children and families have decided they are now no longer eligible for the state grant of 16 million norwegian kroner given to officially recognised religions.. the following is a statement has been issued, i have summarised if it isn't readable: .

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  Fisherman

  The government has authority to enforce LAWS that apply to everybody but not to impose on religion how the government likes religion to adjudicate morality or how religion should be practiced. It is a right whether or not one wishes to talk to or have to fellowship with someone in a religious setting. Prejudice based on bias is one thing but not be forced to practice religion by moral rules made up by the government. Something is wrong with the government when they resort to interfere with religious freedom.
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  Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

  mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

  and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

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  Fisherman

  Hi Waton,

  Jesus'" perfection has never been proven

  That’s a different subject matter. The Bible refers to JC as the second Adam and without sin. What is being discussed here is how is that possible.
  
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  Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

  mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

  and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

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  Fisherman

  Basically , their answer is ‘magic’.

  Nope. Given Jesus’s miraculous birth, it’s not magic, it’s God’s Holy Spirit. “If it is by means of God’s finger…then the kingdom of God has really overtaken you.”

  The Insight Book in general has been refined (not only in the related explanation about Jesus’s perfection in-spite of Mary’s sinfulness.) You will find that in other Bible interpretations and topics, there is very little commentary now except for what can be supported with evidence from the Bible. The Bible does not say how Jehovah did it or why Jesus was born perfect although his mother was a sinner.
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  “Heaven and Earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”

  by Fisherman in

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  “this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.

  heaven and earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”.

  the destruction of jerusalem is insignificant in the large scheme of things.

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  Fisherman

  Only 3 gospels recount the olivette. In Revelation a great crowd survives the great tribulation that did not happen in 70 and neither did Armageddon and other climactic events such as the fall of B the great. In the Bible, prophecy can have a greater meaning and fulfillment. Take for example what Paul said about Sarah and Haagar being a prophetic drama.
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  Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

  mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

  and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

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  Fisherman

  Hi Smiddy,

  Where did Jesus get his y chromosome from? Not from Mary and not from Adam. JW hold that Adam could have produced perfect offspring inspite of Eve’s transgression. It is noteworthy that Jesus’s genealogy is through Mary. He is not a direct descendant of any male. Eve was affected by sin only after Adam sinned.Anyway, the perfect genes that JC got from God fixed the problem and JC didn’t inherit sin from Eve or Mary—or Adam.
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  “Heaven and Earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  “this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.

  heaven and earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”.

  the destruction of jerusalem is insignificant in the large scheme of things.

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  Fisherman

  “This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur. Heaven and earth will pass away but my words will by no means pass away.”

  The destruction of Jerusalem is insignificant in the large scheme of things. The Jews rebuilt Judaism… and other Caesars came along…., and no change. In the large scheme of things, God takes action.

  In Revelation, Jesus tells those Christians back then that he was “coming quickly,” and obviously people believed that literally and not that he was using poetic language with the word quickly meaning thousands of years later after they all died. They saw miracles and were convinced in their mind because of all the irrefutable evidence —but aside from all the proof to base their expectations upon, nothing happened. They all passed away and the earth and heavens remains the same to the human senses.

  —Like Peter and all the other martyrs though—they were convinced, even as they were passing away and nothing they expected realized.
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  Kongressnachlese 2022 - Kinder in Betten

  by + in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  wieso werden von den zeugen jehovas auf dem diesjährigen kongress, kinder in betten gefilmt und diese filme im internet untereinander geteilt?.

  warum liefern jehovas zeugen auf dem diesjährigen kongress die vorlage das mit kindern im bett die bibel studiert werden soll?.

  warum liefern jehovas zeugen, in dem erwachet vom oktober 2007, dann eine der umfangreichsten und besten tipps im freien internet, wie man kinder erfolgreich missbraucht.. .

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  TD,

  Bedtime for children can be very unforgettable in an good or bad way. It can also be very scary. Children are specially open at this time. Parents could take advantage of this to make their kids feel loved and safe and reassure them and comfort them and as you brought out, in a subtle way inculcate God and the Bible at this receptive time.