1914 Myth
Only your opinion. 1914 is scripturally possible as JW claim. So at the very least, it is arguable.
Fisherman
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Myth of 1914
by peacefulpete inthe wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.
millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.
take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.
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Fisherman
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Myth of 1914
by peacefulpete inthe wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.
millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.
take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.
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The term second coming was stopped being used by JW many years ago as misnomer and replaced with return and invisible presence.
—Also, I don’t know if it is more accurate to say that in 1914, Jesus was given power rather than authority because JC had asserted before that all authority had been given to him. What do you think?
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Pioneer hour requirement returns
by FFGhost inso, just posted on jw.borg:.
as of march 2023, the hour requirement for pioneers, which was suspended during the pandemic, will once again be enforced.. elders will review the activity of all pioneers in june 2023. if it appears that any do not have a “practical schedule” (aren’t getting at least close to 70 hours per month”), elders are to “kindly and frankly discuss their circumstances”.. what’s that sound that seems like a torpedo plane diving on its target?
that’s the sound of the number of regular pioneers in complete free fall .
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Fisherman
What is the point of being a pioneer nowadays?
As one of the greats on this forum, you always have a point: Pioneers nowdays don’t enjoy the specialties of the old days.
Except that pioneers are still viewed as a full time servant and also viewed as such by the fds with any benefits that may come at any point in time or entitled to as such by the WT. And you hold rank in the cong which is important to people especially for “sisters”. Some feel a duty to God to do as much hours as they can even more hours than pioneers but won’t take on the assignment for reasons you gave, not to be humiliated if deleted. Whatever the case, someone who puts in so many hours of personal time in this Bible activity (which is what all JW are supposed to be doing) can be taken seriously by other JW.
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
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Fisherman
No hard evidence could convince the Jews that Jesus is the Messiah. They didn’t want it.
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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Jesus didn't teach this doctrine anyway.
“When the son of mam is revealed.” It suits the same poetic irony that Jesus’s invisible presence is congruent in vision to his first century mission when that generation were spiritually blind so as not to mentally discern that Bible prophecy was fulfilled and the Messiah was in their midsts.
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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Fisherman
mismatches with other scriptures. That's what's important to me.
Your interpretation. And many other interpretations too. WT believes they are correct. They don’t proclaim to be inspired so that concedes the possibility of error. But WT proclaims to be God’s only agency and FDS and that cannot be based on interpretation.
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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Fisherman
he ensured that his Word was completely fulfilled from his standpoint and not from a human standpoint .
That is why the beginning and end points of the 70 years from (his standpoint) could seem to mismatch what history or science thinks. “I will cause the wisdom of the wise man to perish.” “Something strange.” Who was to think that the “disgusting thing” was in fact prophetically the idolatrous standards worshipped by the Roman armies —The irony.
The sight of watching (first hundreds then thousands) JW “Bethelites” marching and stamping their feet through Court street aka walking ( Supreme, Criminal, Family) 7 days a week, 24 hours a day for a century with WT buildings higher and overlooking all secular buildings in the area that prosecuted and tried to stamp JW out —was triumphal. How poetic. In the long run what remains to be seen is either the debunKINGs and disCREDITING of the JW f DISCREET s. Or the utter vindication of the JW if BTG is destroyed and if the GT hits. In the meantime as scholar eloquently advocates, JW theology is plausible. It has not been falsified.
I remember the Godfather’s speech in the book: “I am a superstitious man…” The Roman armies fulfilling Bible prophecy was no coincidence and neither was Nation against Nation WWI in 1914 which convinces JW that the 7X interpretation that uses the 607 and 537 points is correct. Funny coincidence, the word “point” occurs 2x with reference to Jerusalem 1 king Nebuchanezzar using uncanny power, and 2 Jesus reference to pointed stake, both spelling destruction.
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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Fisherman
can easily assume that the trip back and forth between Judah and Babylon was at least 6 months, Do you agree with this?
Who knows what exactly happened. It is all a guess. But given the 70 years, a couple of years more or less is in the target area and within the realm of possibility making wt interpretation plausible. Won’t know for sure until it hits you from above. Everything considered, wt interpretation based on 70 years ( FDS appointed circa 1919) has not been been debunked, ( if one is looking for relevancy of this subtopic ). We know that the FDS is not Judaism or Islam or other religions, it needs to be Christianity and since the churches of christendom failed to stop JW as hard as they tried, that eliminates christendom. 7x, 1914,1919, appointment of fds depends on 70 so that proves relevance.
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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Fisherman
False. The Jewish Exiles returened home in 537 BCE and not 538 BCE
And JW correctly conclude this because the Gentile Times are based in 607 resulting in 1914 and WWI and other signs convince JW of 1914 which derivatively validates 537. So, JW are confident.
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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Fisherman
Peacefulpete I did not mean that your commentary is not important , I only meant that focusing on other aspects of the scriptures did not apply to the subject of the Jews being in Babylon 70 years because it deflects attention from that specific point.