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My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

by cofty in

10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

Fisherman

Acts 15:19,20 (KJV) Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

This applied to non-Jews (according to the verse) who may not have abstained from blood before this decree. How did early Christians apply this? According to WT commentary, early christians didn’t consume blood or use it for medical purpose.

( I don’t see how a christian bleeding profusely and facing immediate death short of a miracle can get around this. )

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My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

by cofty in

10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

Fisherman

Hi TD,

“keep abstaining....from blood"

—“And from sexual immorality….” Jesus added to the meaning of adultery “on every sort of ground” so your rule doesn’t strictly apply. However, how are blood transfusions outside the scope?

( I correctly referred to the decree as “keep abstaining” in my post above.)

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My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

by cofty in

10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

Fisherman

Hi cofty,

Thanks for your interesting posts and threads on this subject.

I think I’ve explained the scriptures you reference on a previous thread. Your false derivative is based on wrong interpretation, namely what you personally conclude from the distinction between the 2 sorts of blood as explained in wt commentary.

According to your derivative, it was lawful for an Israelite to practice eating dead un-bled “kosher” animals and it was also lawful for those ancient Israelites to consume the blood of living animals just as long as they didn’t kill them, for example, in some places in Africa the natives extract blood from their living livestock and consume the blood. According to your interpretation, that does not violate the prohibition to keep abstaining from blood same as a bt which involves consuming large amounts of blood from living hosts. Inspite of your interpretation, I don’t see this lawfully practiced in the Bible as the Israelites surely abstained from this.

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My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

by cofty in

10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

Fisherman

The voluntary donation of blood of an unharmed person for the medical benefit of another is not prohibited in any text.

That depends on how one interprets the text. As JW interpret the Bible ( at this time) and it be makes sense, Abstaining from blood includes not flooding your body with gallons of whole blood. The benefits or health concerns is another subject.

blood saves lives

Not arguing that sometimes only a blood transfusion can either prolong life or even stop a person from dying —short of a miracle.

(At one time organ transplants were viewed as cannibalism by JW. Now, some JW have gotten organ transplants.)

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My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

by cofty in

10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

Fisherman

eating an animal found already dead.

How does a person that pumps 1/2 gallon of blood into his veins keep abstaining from blood as required in the Christian Scriptures?

Also, if an Israelite went around eating dead animals, he would obviously get into trouble. The related scripture is not a concession allowing Israelites to go around eating dead unbled animals as a standard for the Israelites. The standard was the ritualistic slaughter with the poring out of the blood. There is no such practice recorded in the Bible. However, you make the point that even if one person ate a dead animal, the blood was different from blood from a slaughtered animal and WT acknowledges that in wt literature. The issue in modern time remains because blood transfusions is a standard practice in medicine, Christians are to “keep abstaining” from blood. The JW gb interprets that to mean no bt.

I don’t think that a Jew in ancient Israel worth his weight in modern day salt would eat a dead (kosher) animal because it was wrong to do so but IF he did, there was no penalty although there was uncleaness integrated with the conduct.

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How did you find Jehovah's Witness meetings?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i personally have only attended a handful of meetings at kingdom halls.

i did not enjoy any of them nor was i impressed by anything that was conveyed.

perhaps others did not find them boring as i did.. nadia viotto has this to say about her experience.

Fisherman

Before computers and the internet it was the learning center for JW.

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What would Jesus be doing?

by eyeslice in

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would he be working on the massive audio/visual complex being built at ramapo?.

i overheard my wife listening to some update broadcast this morning and immediately thought would a true humanitarian such as jesus, mahatma gandhi or albert schweitzer be at all interested in such things?

these were 'people' persons not interesting in the stupid trappings of life.. if the gb were to sanction the building of hospitals, orphanages, refugee centers and the like, maybe we would have a little more respect for them but this ramapo project seems like a sense waste of time, energy and money.

Fisherman

If he is riding a white horse now as a conquering king, what do you figure he is conquering? Remember all the horsemen have been ongoing for over 108 years since the conquering goes on on the earth to completion. It figures that the the conquering has to do with the defeat of earth’s kings earth-wide. The JW teachings and activities moves forward and keeps growing. The preaching converts a lot of people. That is the whole purpose of the congregation, the preaching work. —Isaiah 6:10-12

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Was Satan in Heaven while Christ was crucified?

by Sharpie in

just a shower thought came to mind.. while jesus was nailed to the stake/cross (take your pick) because of the witnesses lack of belief in hell.

does that mean according to witness doctrine that satan and his demons were in heaven while jesus was being executed?.

what about after jesus went to heaven?

Fisherman

In Job, the Satan was in heaven. According to JW Bible interpretation, Satan was cast down from heaven later on (circa1914). Jesus prophetically saw Satan cast down from heaven. Satan had that kind of power to resist God in such a way that had Jesus killed, so he had to be in heaven at the time Jesus was put to death.

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A problem, a provision, a promise

by JW Answers in

short message of help showing forth the correct gospel for today.. the problem with mankind, the provision for mankind, and a promise to mankind.. jws teach that works save.

the bible says that only christ saves if we believe / trust upon him..

Fisherman

Everyone believes whatever they like and sometimes that’s inconsequential but if salvation depends upon belief then you’d better choose the correct answer on the exam.

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A problem, a provision, a promise

by JW Answers in

short message of help showing forth the correct gospel for today.. the problem with mankind, the provision for mankind, and a promise to mankind.. jws teach that works save.

the bible says that only christ saves if we believe / trust upon him..

Fisherman

Baited you or lured you back in cofty? I knew you were evolving back. Nice to see you!